Huuuu, I'm tired as well - let's stop this non-sense
/agreed!
We should talk about this over a pint - I like guiness, unfortunately we don't get the good stuff over here(London).
Sending you a PM
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And don't say me that SBI is the best tool for keyword research because it isn't! If you will take 10 keywords and do research with Overture, Wordtracker and Keyword Discovery you will see - where is the diffrenece.
I'm sorry but that is untrue
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Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 162 Location: Vancouver, WA
Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject:
After the questions have all been answered to a tee, there is nothing left to do.
IMO, after all the proof provided and every question answered, I believe that there is an agenda here and an axe to grind with Ken for some reason. Nothing more.
I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
Here is one more thing: SBI is database driven. Unlike other hosts that you upload your files to, with SBI, you are putting your files into a database. This database is what makes all these tools work together to make SBI do the magic that it does. It is so totally unlike anything else. _________________ Take The "Tech" Out Of Website Creation I Made $75 Watching "Judge Judy"
I live just across the water from you - about 99 minutes by Jonathan Swift - Holyhead to Dublin ferry.
Why do I say this? Because I am a very satisfied user of SBI, it has done a great job for me as someone who started out not knowing anything about e-commerce.
So, come to Holyhead and we'll have a coffee at Balconi's or I'll share ideas over a coffee with you at Bayley's of Grafton Street in Dublin.
I understand that's where Joyce used to hang out when he sketched out Ulysses!
And don't say me that SBI is the best tool for keyword research because it isn't! If you will take 10 keywords and do research with Overture, Wordtracker and Keyword Discovery you will see - where is the diffrenece.
I'm sorry but that is untrue
*Just for the record*
I don't think that's necessarily the case. There are other keyword research tools that can do just as good a job as SBI. I prefer Keyword Elite personally. I find the SBI tools to be a little clunky - they work, yes, but I prefer the way Keyword Elite operates.
This thread is a good example of what it is I don't like about the whole "SBI world". My take on the original message from Bookiemaster, as well as his later ones, is that he wasn't sold on the advantages of SBI. He was looking for answers that would convince him that it was a better system than what he is currently using.
Obviously, the responses didn't convince him. In the sales world, you'll find some people who just aren't interested in your product. Their reasons may or may not be valid, but they're valid to them.
Trying to beat them over the head with your opinion isn't going to make them any more likely to buy. There seems to be an attitude within SBI circles that "we must get the final word so the world knows we are right" and it just rubs me the wrong way.
And just for the record, this post is my opinion - it may or may not seem this way to anyone else, but it does to me. There's no need to try to convince me otherwise
And just for the record, this post is my opinion - it may or may not seem this way to anyone else, but it does to me. There's no need to try to convince me otherwise.
Heavens above! I don't think anyone was trying to convince you that your opinion was none other than yours, my friend!
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 1126 Location: London, England
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:34 am Post subject:
Hi Flexprimo,
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Obviously, the responses didn't convince him. In the sales world, you'll find some people who just aren't interested in your product. Their reasons may or may not be valid, but they're valid to them.
You are correct of course, you can never convince everybody. I happen to believe that SBI is the best there is and nobody overdelivers like Ken Evoy.
My take on the original message from Bookiemaster, as well as his later ones, is that he wasn't sold on the advantages of SBI. He was looking for answers that would convince him that it was a better system than what he is currently using.
Obviously, the responses didn't convince him. In the sales world, you'll find some people who just aren't interested in your product. Their reasons may or may not be valid, but they're valid to them.
I think it's a shame that we had to keep on repeatedly correcting inaccurate statements about SBI for the benefit of people who read this post.
It was clear from quite early on that Bookiemaster had made up his mind about SBI and we were happy to leave it at 'yeah whatever' because it's not for everyone.
We did try and answer the question of 'what's so special about it' several times with relevant links, and references to free tools(search it), affiliate masters course (how to do it the SBI way without buying SBI and using your own tools), but it all just seemed to fall on deaf ears.
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Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 23 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject:
Hi all,
I do have something to add about the keyword tools of SBI. I can't speak intelligently about the other tools... besides Wordtracker I haven't used any other of them.
But the keyword tools of SBI can do this:
- Add overture results (free)
- Add keyword lists based on the Wordtracker database (25 searches for free, after that you have to pay (a little) because Sitesell hires the data from Wordtracker).
- Add keywords based on keywords on 100 or 200 web pages found through Google
- add keywords based on pages you've already built
- Add keywords based on how search engines found pages on your site (not necessarily the same keywords your page was optimized for).
- Add Google Adwords and Yahoo Ads keyword cost to the keywords and calculate which keywords should or should not carry ads on the page. Or which keywords will probably yield the most $/click.
Phew! That's a lot. Can those other tools do this?
Joined: 18 Jul 2003 Posts: 34 Location: Northamptonshire, UK
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject:
Hi
My own personal take on it.
I'm going to let everyone else continue doing what they're doing, trying to find the best solutions from all over the web so their favourites folder has about 2000 resources in it, and they can't remember their passwords for one of them so they're really messed up, and they can't remember where they put the results from one of their tools.
I, in the meantime will carry on with my SBI site, everything in one place, one click away.
And while some are scratching their heads wondering how I can give up all forms of offline advertising because all my money comes from my web site, yes this is an offline business I'm running, I'll smile sweetly while I watch their traffic trickle in.
And I'm talking about my particular nich, not anyone else's
It's hard to convince those that are used to regular web hosting at $50 a year that spending money on your business is investment, not spending.
Personally, I couldn't care less what everyone else uses, I like SBI and will continue to use it.
I use other methods for web site building too, but it's all based around Sitesell's philosophy.
Here's the basic rule of sales.
Some will buy, most won't.
Simple!
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Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 1322 Location: Gainesville Florida USA
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject:
This thread seems to be one of the ritual ceremonies of this forum, part of a historic tradition going back years now. There is probably an SBI thread somewhere in the Old Testament, and at Stonehenge too.
Just to have something to say...
I'd guess there's a bit of an over emphasis on tools and systems throughout the industry. Probably more than a bit.
After 12 years on the Net, filled with both successes and failures, I've come to the conclusion that all the real action is inside our heads, on our side of the computer monitor. Not on the Net somewhere.
We can create a killer site with Notepad.
Or we can buy every book and tool there is, and still go belly up after a year of labor. We all know this.
I like tools too. In fact, I'm such a nerd I code my own.
But tools are not where the action is, so it's probably silly to argue about them too much.
Unless of course you want to pay homage to a long religious tradition.
In which case, whatever somebody said above, IS ALL WRONG!
Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 1322 Location: Gainesville Florida USA
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject:
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I didn?t happen to notice an SBI thread but there was the initials KE carved into one of the stones, hmm I wonder
Aha, did the stone have an inscription that was 185,523 words long?? That would be an important clue.
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Without the why they would not have figured the how . . . but without the how they could not have taken the action outside of their heads
Ok, good point.
Surely my post tried a bit too hard to pit the how against the why. A chronic debater suffering an over reaction to a market focused on tools I guess.
The hidden irony is that I just spent a many months cooking up a tool. I'm so in to the how and tools that I've spent the last few years buried in perl books, neglecting more profitable roads in the process. So I guess my holy position here is pretty well cooked.
Still, I do think the why lies at the heart of it.
If we have enough why, any tool will work. Not enough why, no tool will work.
I'm counseling a friend now, a newcomer. After months of tutoring, and slow progress, I'm concluding the magic key that will open the door is why. We've all been there at one time or another I'd guess.
To his credit, Ken always makes clear to his users that if they don't work, SBI won't either.
But these football coach work ethic lectures are usually as far we go.
I feel there's an interesting productive frontier beyond that, and would love to find writers who really have the knack for helping folks discover their own "why".
Human beings are so much more complicated than computers and web gadgets. It takes a quite skillful writer to pull it off I'd guess.
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 1126 Location: London, England
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject:
Hi Phil,
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Surely my post tried a bit too hard to pit the how against the why. A chronic debater suffering an over reaction to a market focused on tools I guess.
Actually I think you got your point over very well, I wasn?t entirely disagreeing with it.
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Still, I do think the why lies at the heart of it.
If we have enough why, any tool will work. Not enough why, no tool will work.
Yes, you have got to have the motivation and if your motivation is strong enough you will make it work. Must say I prefer to work with sharp tools like SBI though ? hee, hee, sorry there was no way I could resist that
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To his credit, Ken always makes clear to his users that if they don't work, SBI won't either.
Absolutely, he doesn?t only focus on the tools.
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I feel there's an interesting productive frontier beyond that, and would love to find writers who really have the knack for helping folks discover their own "why".
Human beings are so much more complicated than computers and web gadgets. It takes a quite skillful writer to pull it off I'd guess.
I?ve a mental image of a 1950?s (method school?) actor pacing the stage asking ?what?s my motivation here??
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