Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:09 am Post subject: Corey Rudl's Programs
My gripe is not about the content of Corey Rudl's "The Insider Secrets to Marketing Your Business on the Internet". It is about the fact that you list it so prominently in your list of Top 2 tier affiliate programs, but omit to inform your subscribers that affiliates usually lose their commissions due to Corey Rudl allowing affiliates buying under their own affiliate ID's. Likewise Corey omits this amongst all his sale hype and creates the opposite impression. I have emailed them for clarity on this but they don't respond.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 5:13 am Post subject: Re: Corey Rudl's Programs
Challenger wrote:
My gripe is not about the content of Corey Rudl's "The Insider Secrets to Marketing Your Business on the Internet". It is about the fact that you list it so prominently in your list of Top 2 tier affiliate programs, but omit to inform your subscribers that affiliates usually lose their commissions due to Corey Rudl allowing affiliates buying under their own affiliate ID's. Likewise Corey omits this amongst all his sale hype and creates the opposite impression. I have emailed them for clarity on this but they don't respond.
Challenger
I thought Allan said that his list of top affilitate programs is based on the sales the programs generate for him. If so, wouldn't that still make the high ranking valid?
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:42 am Post subject: Affiliate Commisions...Where Are You?
Hello Challenger,
I understand your concern. Except for affiliate programs that expressly forbid purchasing from your own link, it seems to not only be common practice--but even encouraged by some of the vendors.
So how does a person like Allan make enough sales from the product to include it at the top of his list, when the people can just use their own link?
Most of the more reputable affiliate programs (not only affiliate marketing)that I have come across specifically prohibit this practice. As far as the top ten on Allan's site are concerned, I am almost certain that all apart from Corey's all prohibit this. I do speak under correction as it was a long time ago that I did my due diligence on this. Corey remains silent on this point & when I contacted support to get clarity they did not respond.
I merely expressed my view on what I feel is a ligitimate gripe. Folks can take my comment for what it is worth or leave it.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:45 am Post subject: No Gripe With Your Gripe
Thanks again for the reply. Don't know what time it is out in S. Africa, but here in S. California, it's 11:45 PM. I agree you have a legitimate gripe, so I therefore, don't have any gripe with it.
I just didn't know that the majority of the better programs already had safeguards set up.
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Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Affiliate Commisions...Where Are You?
code4 wrote:
So how does a person like Allan make enough sales from the product to include it at the top of his list, when the people can just use their own link?
It pays residual commissions, month after month, and loyalty is strong, so as an affiliate makes more sales, the monthly commissions keep increasing.
I, too, generally prefer programs that don't allow affiliates to buy through their own links. A better way is to give affiliates a discount. _________________ Allan Gardyne
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Affiliate Commisions...Where Are You?
AllanGardyne wrote:
I, too, generally prefer programs that don't allow affiliates to buy through their own links. A better way is to give affiliates a discount.
Thanks for the reply Allan,
Allowing a discount does seem like a better approach, but I wonder if this is really only a problem with internet marketing products, or does it occur just the same for non-internet marketing products as well?
Best wishes. Espero que le sienta mucho mejor.
James _________________ James Albert | http://www.code4marketing.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Affiliate Commisions...Where Are You?
Hello James.
AllanGardyne wrote:
I, too, generally prefer programs that don't allow affiliates to buy through their own links. A better way is to give affiliates a discount.
For me, the problem often lies with an invitation to join the affiliate program from the sales page, as much as the ability to buy through your own link itself.
code4 wrote:
Allowing a discount does seem like a better approach, but I wonder if this is really only a problem with internet marketing products, or does it occur just the same for non-internet marketing products as well?
Worst case scenario - internet marketing product sold with affiliate program via ClickBank (old system) with affiliate program join up offer on product sales page.
If you move away from internet marketing and avoid mentioning the affiliate program on the sales page, the problem is very much smaller.
Hope this helps,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Affiliate Commisions...Where Are You?
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For me, the problem often lies with an invitation to join the affiliate program from the sales page, as much as the ability to buy through your own link itself.
Worst case scenario - internet marketing product sold with affiliate program via ClickBank (old system) with affiliate program join up offer on product sales page.
If you move away from internet marketing and avoid mentioning the affiliate program on the sales page, the problem is very much smaller.
Hope this helps,
Charlie
Hullo Charlie,
Thanks again for another thoughtful and helpful reply. Having the link for the affiliate program on the sales page is definitely part of the problem. I suppose with internet marketing type products, the solution is to have a large enough list that you get selected to pitch the product before the affiliate program is available to the general public.
Sort of like what happens with new IPO stocks.
Thanks Charlie,
James _________________ James Albert | http://www.code4marketing.com
No politics, no social issues, and no mumbo jumbo. It's all about the MARKETING!
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Affiliate Commisions...Where Are You?
code4 wrote:
I suppose with internet marketing type products, the solution is to have a large enough list that you get selected to pitch the product before the affiliate program is available to the general public.
Definitely. The trick with competitive areas like "internet marketing" is to use the high density of promoters to help you, rather than try and compete against them. There will always be room for new boys (and girls) who remember this.
Coming back to your point about pitching products, I read recently of someone who was having success promoting "out of fashion best sellers". He looks for products that have sold well in the past, but are not being promoted much nowadays. He then starts promoting these (again).
As long as you take care that the product's content is still relevant, I think this could be a good strategy. Promoting a product that has stood the test of time, with a sales letter that is known to convert appeals more than gambling on a "hype-driven" new product with a mountain of competition and a yet unproven sales letter, in some cases.
Just a thought,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Affiliate Commisions...Where Are You?
Charlie wrote:
Coming back to your point about pitching products, I read recently of someone who was having success promoting "out of fashion best sellers". He looks for products that have sold well in the past, but are not being promoted much nowadays. He then starts promoting these (again).
As long as you take care that the product's content is still relevant, I think this could be a good strategy. Promoting a product that has stood the test of time, with a sales letter that is known to convert appeals more than gambling on a "hype-driven" new product with a mountain of competition and a yet unproven sales letter, in some cases.
Just a thought,
Sounds like a good idea to me. Especially when you consider how FAST IM products tend to race through the limelight. Of course, there's still the issue you mentioned earlier of the IM crowd tending to buy from the own link.
This kind of stuff never happened with good old fashioned mail order...back then, when you signed up as dealer for a decent info product, you could ALWAYS find people who wanted the product, and who weren't also dealers. It would have been too much of a hassle for people to sign up as a dealer for every product they wanted, and people generally being LAZY, it didn't happen much.
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Affiliate Commisions...Where Are You?
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This kind of stuff never happened with good old fashioned mail order...back then, when you signed up as dealer for a decent info product, you could ALWAYS find people who wanted the product, and who weren't also dealers. It would have been too much of a hassle for people to sign up as a dealer for every product they wanted, and people generally being LAZY, it didn't happen much.
Good point, James. This is another example of the problems you get from low barrier to entry in any business area...
The internet might have empowered many people with publishing aspirations, but I'm not sure that it is always a good thing. Do we really want an internet full of salesmen - or even "presalesmen", even if they are not our competitors?
Just a thought,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Corey Rudl's Programs
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Hey -
My friend Bill Hibbler covers Corey's prodcuts (and lots of other ones as well) in his Rudl Report. He just released version 4 this week. Might be worth a peek for you.
God Bless you,
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Challenger wrote:
My gripe is not about the content of Corey Rudl's "The Insider Secrets to Marketing Your Business on the Internet". It is about the fact that you list it so prominently in your list of Top 2 tier affiliate programs, but omit to inform your subscribers that affiliates usually lose their commissions due to Corey Rudl allowing affiliates buying under their own affiliate ID's. Likewise Corey omits this amongst all his sale hype and creates the opposite impression. I have emailed them for clarity on this but they don't respond.
This is a pretty serious problem. I have noticed this with satellites and this is only because i get paid on second tier. Out of every 5 sales there's usualy one that involves someone signing up for the program simply to buy the dish for themselves. It's obvious when there's 1 hit and 1 sale the first day the affiliate signs up. Oddly enough that affiliate never generates any other activity!
What ends up happening is I get my $15 subaffiliate fee instead of the $50 that I should have earned. This problem is rampant with other programs that I run, but since not all of them are 2 tier I usualy cant verify this.
If affiliate programs want to be taken seriously they should discourage this activity. It's only deducting income from the affiliates that generate the most leads.
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