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Post Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:10 pm
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...To me this is not a guarantee at all. I might spend $500 on advertisements for the three months, and $97 a month on the cost of the membership. Even if I got my money back I would have lost $500 on the advertisements.

If you did not spend $500 on advertising then they would say you are not following their system . You will have to take a risk and advertise knowing if it fails you will not get the advertising cost back

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Remember the story of the witch who offered Snow White a luscious-looking red apple? We all know what happened to poor Snow White when she bit into the apple.

Well, Justin Blake and gang are poison-apple peddlers. And guess who the witch is, with her honeyed words on this forum? There have been many complaints lodged on other forums against JB Virtual Enterprises Inc and the merry band of three. Diane Sullivan's name came up in those threads as well, and words like "rude", "arrogant", "malicious", and "aggressive" were used to describe her. That's from those who bit into the poisoned apple. As long as you don't bite, she'll no doubt continue to play the kindly, sweet-talking peddler role.

Sadly for me, I took a bite of the poisoned apple in July. I paid US$97 subscription for the first month of the ?University of Internet Marketing? (also known as Incredible System) program, marketed by JB Virtual Enterprises Inc. (JB is an acronym for Justin Blake). I was under the impression that it would be like Success University, which has a wide range of useful professional and personal development courses. Boy, was I wrong!

First of all, support was atrocious. I couldn?t log into the program after paying, so I sent a support ticket to the system for help. Almost 4 days passed before I got a response. Finally, I got into the system. What I found was a huge disappointment.

Instead of finding useful resources like courses, seminars, workshops etc. on internet marketing, all I found was a system for recruiting sign-ups into the so-called program. This was the so-called UOIM affiliate program, whereby recruiters (also known as affiliates) would earn a commission for every person recruited. There is no real product involved. The vendor provided information on how to find recruits, and even had supporting ?materials? like sample advertisements for recruitment. From what I could tell, it was nothing more than a pyramid scheme.

I confronted the vendor via the support ticket system. When Diane finally responded, she denied that UOIM was a pyramid scheme. Yet, she couldn?t show me any courses! I demanded my money back. On the UOIM / Incredible System website, a 90-Day Money-Back Guarantee is promised.

Believe it or not, these guys refused to make the refund. Not only that, but they promptly locked me out of the program. I couldn?t log in anymore. Even more audacious, Diane sent me a message around a week later to taunt me. How sadistic is that?

I realize now that I'm not the only one who has received the royal treatment from Diane. (the word 'royal' is so apt, really, as Snow White's evil stepmother-cum-witch was a Queen).

Isn?t this a clear case of cheating in every sense of the word? Many people on other forums have complaints against JB Virtual Enterprises Inc and the people behind this company, Justin Blake and Charles Ryder. WHERE THERE'S SMOKE, THERE MUST BE FIRE. Be warned about their affiliates too - one name which comes up often is Shawn Casey, as he promotes their products aggressively.

Watch out for JB Virtual Enterprises Inc. and their ?products?. They?re downright dishonest!

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I too just recently have fallen victim to Justin Blake's and Chris Ryder's "incrediblesystem". Also because of an email from Shawn Casey. I'm really new to this stuff and had the "financial independence" dream so I was following all the directions they gave. Even found an ezine that fit all the criteria listed on their website and at a very good price. So I decided to take out a solo ad because the price was acceptable. I couldn't find the solo ads on the site so I put in a support ticked asking how to find the solo ads. From the very first support ticket I could tell that Diane Sullivan was not going to be a nice person to deal with. A simple question...Where are your solo ads located? The reply didn't answer my very simple question and all the ensuing tickets after that never answered that simple question. If I would have recieved a simple answer to that question I would still be trying the system out but I realized I was going to get no support so I told her to cancell my membership and give me a refund. And likewise, no refund cause I didn't use the system for 90 days. So I told her OK, I'm not cancelling and I"m still going to try the system out but I would like to deal with another support person. She asked why and I told here because I couldn't get a simple answer to a simple question....yet another opprotunity to answer my question and I would have still been trying the system but instead she replied that she was the only support and so she was cancelling me and closing the support site from my further use. I asked her for Justin Blake's email and she refused to give it to me and has since then shut me off of anymore emailings etc. I wasn't rude about anything although I felt like being that through the whole time dealing with her because she is a very rude and arrogant person. I TOO WILL BE GETTING A REFUND!

I, at no time saw any desire to give any kind of support but yet the opposite, to incite a customer to cancell so they could keep their money.

These are obvioulsy bad people to deal with and exactly why legitimate internet marketers have a hard time promoting their buisness. I was so ashamed that I let myself be taken in by these people but after finding this website I realize that even more experience people get taken by good ad hype too.
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Diane, If you're still following this discussion, how about asking Justin Blake and Chris Ryder to comment? It would be good to get their side of the story directly from them.
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:06 pm
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Let's do better, Allan. Let's ask Diane, Justin and Charles to post their photos and their personal e-mail addresses on this forum, and all the other forums where they have been criticised (eg. Lynn Terry?s Self-Starter?s Weekly Tips Forum, under the topic 'Beware of Justin Blake', and Anthony Blake's Forum, under the topic "Scam'). If they've got nothing to hide, there's no problem right?

I'm beginning to wonder if JB Virtual Enterprises Inc. comprises only Diane Sullivan. If you write to Charles & Justin's supposed e-mail address, "Charles & Justin" <[email protected]>, only Diane responds, if at all.

Maybe there's really no Justin Blake and no Charles (not Chris) Ryder. Maybe it's just been Diane Sullivan all along. Then again, maybe 'Diane Sullivan' is a pseudonym for Justin Blake or even Charles Ryder. Maybe all these 3 names are totally fictitious, and there's just one faceless person behind JB Virtual Enterprises Inc. Hmmmm.

Reveal yourselves, Justin Blake, Charles Ryder and Diane Sullivan! No more hiding!

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Even better yet, let's invite Shawn Casey to comment as well. Several people have mentioned they purchased the program following his recommendation, and I'm one of them. At first I even thought it was Shawn's program since he just launched a product not long prior to promoting this one.

I would like to know WHY he promoted this program and aggressively too! I have unsubscribed from his list.

These people are actually pretty smart. They worded their guarantee policy on the sales page as such that if you're not careful you could easily make the wrong assumption.

Here's Our Iron-Clad, No Weasel Clauses, 100% 90 Day Guarantee!
We are sticking our necks out for you on this one. If after 90 days you are not making $1057.50 a month or more then we will refund every penny of the cost to get started, no questions asked.

If this system does not do everything we say it does, then we do not expect you to pay a dime to get started. That's fair, isn't it?


How would most people interprete that? "You would get your money back within 90 days if you're not satisfied for whatever reason." WRONG!

(Side note: the "no questions asked" part was recently removed. Hmmm...)

Like many others, I also didn't like what I saw after I purchased the program but when I asked for a refund after less than a month, I was directed to the refund policy which is elaborated in fine print and cleverly hidden in the Disclaimer page, and this is what it says:

6. Refund Policy

REFUND POLICY- A refund may be issued for any reason within 3 days (72 hours) of purchase. After the three day period has ended, the purchaser must pay for and dilligently use the system for 90 days, and if he/she fails to make at least $1057.50 in sales, he/she may then request a refund.

Purchaser is required to send proof of dilligency, including any receipts for advertising, and Universityofinternetmarketing.com staff will review the coaching ticket system to ensure purchaser was fully utilizing all assistance available to make sales, regardless of any website purchaser is using to attempt sales.

Upon review and approval, a refund will be issued immediately thereof, and will be processed within
7-10 days.

If at any time between 3 days and 90 days, a purchaser cancels his/her account, the possibility of a refund is completely void and null.


So, they've got their butts covered. Complaining to FTC (like someone suggested at Tony Blake's forum) or anyone else is useless! Nice job, guys!

So, what lessons did I learn from all this?

1. Always read everything, especially the fine prints, not just the sales page before deciding to purchase anything.

2. If you want a refund for anything, act fast! I believe in the US by law, you have 3 days to cancel any transaction without penalty. I simply waited too long (of course, I was under the (wrong) assumption that I had 90 days!).

3. Don't buy something just because a *big name* recommends it.

4. Always do your homework before buying anything. Search the internet, the forums, etc. and even ask the seller a question especially about the guarantee and refund policy. If they don't even respond, forget it!

5. Always follow your gut instinct. I you see red flags, stop! Better be safe than sorry.

Well, those lessons cost me $97. Not bad, huh! Wink

Hopefully others can learn them without paying a cent.

I will not respond to any rude, arrogant, or preachy comments to my post. So, don't even waste your time!
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Actually, disclaimers don't apply to pyramid schemes, which are illegal. It's a University of Internet Marketing program, right? Where are the courses, seminars, workshops, tutors etc.? THERE'S NO PRODUCT! So folks, you have every right to demand your money back. We've been conned!

Secondly, any disclaimer is rendered null and void when the customer is unable to access the 'product' and/or contact the vendor for an unreasonable period of time. For almost 4 days after purchasing the University of Internet Marketing program, I couldn't log into the system. I couldn't get the attention of the vendor either, despite sending several support tickets. Conveniently, Diane Sullivan responded only after almost 4 days.

Now, I don't even have the 'product' at all, as the lovely Ms Sullivan locked me out of the system once she realized I really wanted a refund. That's cheating, plain as day.

So it looks like the butts of Justin, Charles and Diane aren't really secure at all. We have the right to kick them clear to the moon.

Anyway, the Justin Blake saga is getting even more intriguing. Some people on the Kick Start Your Life Forum say that Justin Blake and Stephan Ducharme are one and the same person. Stephan Ducharme uses the same tactics, i.e. teach recruits how to recruit more people into the pyramid. There's no actual product. He doesn't give refunds either.

This is a lesson for all of us. You don't know who you're dealing with on the internet. If there's no face, recognisable identity, reliable contact details and clear product, RUN!

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Actually, disclaimers don't apply to pyramid schemes, which are illegal. It's a University of Internet Marketing program, right? Where are the courses, seminars, workshops, tutors etc.? THERE'S NO PRODUCT!


Please don't get me wrong, I'm in no way trying to defend them (far from it!), just trying to cover all angles and to show how some people can manipulate the system.

I believe they come close to being a pyramid scheme especially with the basic membership but they haven't crossed the line yet. What prevents them from crossing the line is their statement that what they teach you can be applied to promote OTHER affiliate programs, not just theirs. They can also claim that the initial video that we watch is the "training material".

I'm not a lawyer, so anyone who is well versed in the law can correct me if I'm wrong. Ahh... Shawn Casey is a lawyer isn't he? Wink

If you upgrade to pro membership you also get additional reading material + video on how to build your internet business to reach what they call the "guru status".

I have to admit the content is legit but the thing is, you can learn the same stuff elsewhere for a lot less than $97 or even free!! That's why I requested the refund.

Anyone who has studied internet marketing past the newbie level should know that refusing to give refunds is a big no-no! I believe Allan Gardyne agrees with that. See a couple of his comments up this thread.

The gurus teach that keeping your customers happy is of utmost importance. It's better to lose a few bucks here and there than to lose a bunch of your customers in the long run. Especially if you believe your product/service is of high value, you shouldn't worry about getting too many refund requests.

But sadly, not all so-called gurus practice what they preach. Some would rather hang tight to some $47, $97 or even $197 from the "hungry crowd" that they lure with the hyped-up sales letters and promises of "Satisfaction Guaranteed".

I don't see any reason to do that IF they are really as rich and successful as they claim to be and IF their product/service is really of high value.

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Now, I don't even have the 'product' at all, as the lovely Ms Sullivan locked me out of the system once she realized I really wanted a refund. That's cheating, plain as day.


I agree. They should at least let us have access to the membership area until the end of the billing period. After all, the ammount we paid is for one whole month!

OK, that's enough. I won't continue to feed the negative energy like someone said on Michael Green's "How To" forum. I'll just shake the dust off my feet and move on and leave it to the Higher Power to deal with those who do us injustice. Everyone will be justly rewarded!
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I was re-reading some of the previous messages and found this:

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I requested my account cancelled the same day I ordered after seeing what I get. It was not for me, maybe for someone else but definitely not for me. I asked for a refund I was told "no" even though they have a 90 day money back guarantee.


That would be a violation of their own "Refund Policy" which states that you have three days to cancel and get a full refund (see my first post above). Unless... the "Refund Policy" was just added recently after so many people requested a refund!

Yep, I'm pretty convinced that's what happened! I just went to the disclaimer page and here's what's written:

5.Term; Termination.


This Agreement may be terminated by either party without notice at any time for any reason. The provisions of paragraphs 1 (Copyright, Licenses and Idea Submissions), 2 (Use of the Service), 3 (Indemnification), 4 (Third Party Rights) and 6 (Miscellaneous) shall survive any termination of this Agreement.

6. Refund Policy

REFUND POLICY- A refund may be issued for any reason within 3 days (72 hours) of purchase. After the three day period has ended, the purchaser must pay for and dilligently use the system for 90 days, and if he/she fails to make at least $1057.50 in sales, he/she may then request a refund.

Purchaser is required to send proof of dilligency, including any receipts for advertising, and Universityofinternetmarketing.com staff will review the coaching ticket system to ensure purchaser was fully utilizing all assistance available to make sales, regardless of any website purchaser is using to attempt sales.

Upon review and approval, a refund will be issued immediately thereof, and will be processed within
7-10 days.

If at any time between 3 days and 90 days, a purchaser cancels his/her account, the possibility of a refund is completely void and null.

7.Miscellaneous.
(to save space, I snipped the remainder of the document).

Notice there it says number 6 is "Miscellaneous", which used to be, but now number 6 is "Refund Policy" and number 7 is "Miscellaneous".

They neglected to make that minor change. You can verify that here: http://universityofinternetmarketing.com/disclaimer.html

You can even see that the "Refund Policy" looks like it was inserted (i.e. not part of the original document).

But they will probably make the changes soon.

AMAZING!!!
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If more people would work hard instead of being "poor me's" and trying to milk attention for themselves on forums, more people would be making money.

I give good customer service to hard workers, not whiners, complainers, lazy people, and people who purchase mutiple programs and never use any of them.

I tell you, out of all the truly successful people in the world, absolutely none of them sit around wasting hours of their time posting to forums.

Yours truly,
Diane Sullivan
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Post Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:38 pm
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Hello everyone...

I read this forum and would like to show people my side of the story

If anyone calls us a pyramid scheme they either don?t know what one is or they are misinforming you.

We do teach people how to promote our system just like every other marketer online but we do not operate like a pyramid scheme.

In fact here is a list of affiliate brokers we recommend in our members area.

Advertising.com http://Advertising.com
Affiliate Fule http://affiliatefuel.com/
Be Free http://affiliates.befree.com/Affiliates/index.jsp
Clicks Exchange http://clickxchange.com
Click Bank http://clickbank.com
Clixgalore http://www.clixgalore.com
Commission Junction http://cj.com
Dark Blue http://darkblue.com
Lead Hound http://leadhound.com
Link Share http://linkshare.com
Performics http://Performics.com
Primary Ads http://PrimaryAds.com/
Quinstreet http://members.quinstreet.com
Referback http://referback.com
Search4clicks http://Search4Clicks.com
Websponsors http://websponsors.com

If we were a pyramid scheme we would not be telling our customs to go to these sites to find good affiliate programs. We would be telling them to only promote our program.
(have you ever heard of an network marketing company telling it?s reps to promote a different company? ? of course not)

So I believe this wipes out any accusations that we are a pyramid scheme.

And for anyone that don?t like our course?

There is no magic secret that I?m going to tell you or any other marketer will tell you to get started making money online.

Our course teaches people?
How to find a niche market.
How to create an ebook or software program.
How to build your list.
How to get a website and domain name.
Where and how to advertise.
How to setup JV?s
How to launch your products
And everything else someone would need to know about Internet marketing.

If people don?t like this than I don?t know what they want.

Our responsibility to our customers is to teach them how to create an Internet business. We teach the same things we do that makes us over 6 figures a month online.

Before you believe the people that bash me. Read these testimonials that I get almost daily from a FREE video I give people. And think about this for a second... If these people are so happy with a free product I give, how do you think the products I sell are going to be?

Thanks for reading my side of the story,
Charles Ryder
CO-Owner
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The video is on http://fromthedeskofcharlesryder.com

Here are the testimonials

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Charles Ryder:

Thank you for responding. However, I don't believe you adequately addressed the major issues many people have.

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And for anyone that don?t like our course?

There is no magic secret that I?m going to tell you or any other marketer will tell you to get started making money online.

Our course teaches people?
How to find a niche market.
How to create an ebook or software program.
How to build your list.
How to get a website and domain name.
Where and how to advertise.
How to setup JV?s
How to launch your products
And everything else someone would need to know about Internet marketing.

If people don?t like this than I don?t know what they want.


That is NOT what I don't like. In fact, if you read my previous post, I tried to be fair and mentioned that the content of your course is legitimate. However, I can learn the same stuff elsewhere for a lot less than $97 and even free!

My second concern is that I didn't know (before joining) that I would be required to spend additional money on advertising. I'm on a really tight budget at present and therefore, not ready to take the risk of spending a lot of money on advertising without knowing what kind of results I would get.

Those are the main reasons I requested a refund, which leads me to the third issue...

My third issue (and probably the biggest) is that you refuse to give refunds! That just goes against one of the most important principles of internet marketing taught by most gurus that you should give a refund whenever a customer requests it.

I'm sure you agree that no matter how good a product or service is, you're going to get refund requests. That's just the nature of business. However, if you believe in your product/service you won't even hesitate to give refunds since there won't be too many refund requests and they certainly won't create a dent on your bank account. Especially if you're making over 6 figures a month like you claim!

You and Justin Blake may disagree with that principle and that's fine. That's your prerogative. However, you have to make your guarantee and refund policies clear so as not to deceive potential customers!

This is how your original guarantee on the sales page read (I have a screenshot of it):

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Here's Our Iron-Clad, No Weasel Clauses, 100% 90 Day Guarantee!
We are sticking our necks out for you on this one. If after 90 days you are not making $1057.50 a month or more then we will refund every penny of the cost to get started, no questions asked.

If this system does not do everything we say it does, then we do not expect you to pay a dime to get started. That's fair, isn't it?


That can easily give people the wrong impression that they have 90 days to get a refund if they're not satisfied for whatever reason.

In addition, I believe your Refund Policy was just recently inserted into the disclaimer page which is not immediately visible to potential customers.

If I had read the refund policy before I joined, I would not have joined!

Another big issue: you immediately locked those who asked for a refund out of the members area. WHY??!!! If you won't give refunds, you should AT LEAST let us have access to the members area until the end of the billing cycle. We have paid for one whole month of membership!!

That's MY side of the story!
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Advertising...

I'm sorry to break the news to you and others but if you don't advertise you?re not going to make any money.

Most people understand this. The sales letter doesn?t say anywhere that if you join and pay us $47 a month you can do nothing or spend no more money and make $1057.50 a month.

It?s obvious you will need to spend money on advertising to reach this and I can't believe anybody would think any differently.

In the sales letter this is what we say about advertising.
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Step-by-Step Instructions on how to Advertise...

We're going to share with you the exact companies we use to advertise our own products. That's right... No More Guess Work! We will show you our exact rolodex of advertising resources that we have personally tested and use on a daily basis, to explode your income... (... this rolodex alone is worth thousands of dollars)


(DO WE SAY THESE ARE FREE?... no we don't, we say we will show you the same companies we use to advertise with. So I guess this implies you will have to advertise otherwise this would be useless to put in our sales letter.)

Our Guarantee

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Here's Our Iron-Clad, No Weasel Clauses, 100% 90 Day Guarantee!
We are sticking our necks out for you on this one. If after 90 days you are not making $1057.50 a month or more then we will refund every penny of the cost to get started, no questions asked.

If this system does not do everything we say it does, then we do not expect you to pay a dime to get started. That's fair, isn't it?


Our guarantee says that if after 90 days you are not making $1057.50 that we will give you a refund.

We stick by this... If you use our system and don't make money after 90 days we will give you a refund.

BUT... If you join and don't follow our system for a full 90 days before giving up than we don't give refunds.

This refund policy was made because there are too many people that buy things with intentions of getting a refund so they can get if for FREE.

This guarantee refunds the people that actually deserve it, instead of people that just want to get something for free.

I'm sorry if this is not what "GURUS" teach.

Listen we treat our members great and I personally help my members out with any marketing questions they have.

And about locking members out of the members area if they want a refund.

First off I want to say this. If you want a refund so bad, why do you even want to get access to the members area?... This just sounds weird.

You don't like our product but you want to have access to it. Makes no sense.

Anyway...

We don't lock out members just because they want a refund.

This is a monthly membership site. If you cancel your membership you will loose access to the site.

So if your membership is canceled we will lock you out from the site.

I?m in this business to help people.

I?m not some selfish jerk that is just out to take peoples money and rip them off.

I care about the success of my members and the people I influence.

I created University Of Internet Marketing to teach people what I wish I had known when I was a newbie just starting out.

I understand that you need to give people a great service and customer support and I work hard everyday to be the best at that.

I hope that people will realize that there are two sides of every story and just because a few people complain doesn?t necessarily mean things are all that bad.

My last reply the mediator took down all my testimonials. I wanted to show people what others think about me.

So you can view these testimonials at my blog http://fromthedeskofcharlesryder.com

This is probably the last post I will make because I don?t have the time to respond to the forums all the time.

I think I answered all the questions that I needed to.

I wish everyone the greatest success and hope all your dreams come true.

Thanks
Charles Ryder
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Advertising...

The sales letter doesn?t say anywhere that if you join and pay us $47 a month you can do nothing or spend no more money and make $1057.50 a month...(edited to save space)

(DO WE SAY THESE ARE FREE?... no we don't, we say we will show you the same companies we use to advertise with. So I guess this implies you will have to advertise otherwise this would be useless to put in our sales letter.)

Neither does it say that we have to spend more money. Because something is not said doesn't really tell you the opposite is true.

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This refund policy was made because there are too many people that buy things with intentions of getting a refund so they can get if for FREE.

This guarantee refunds the people that actually deserve it, instead of people that just want to get something for free.

I'm not in the habit of asking for refunds. I've bought dozens of products, services, and memberships online and have only requested 2 refunds in 4 years (excluding this one), and in those 2 instances I got my money back, no questions asked. And certainly, no arguing back and forth in forums!

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And about locking members out of the members area if they want a refund.
First off I want to say this. If you want a refund so bad, why do you even want to get access to the members area?... This just sounds weird.

You don't like our product but you want to have access to it. Makes no sense.

I can't speak for others but I never said I didn't like your product. It's the price you charge that I don't like. I want access to it because I HAVE PAID FOR IT FOR ONE WHOLE MONTH. Plain and simple. It's really mind boggling that you find that so hard to understand!

Diane Sullivan used the analogy of cable service. Well, cable companies usually refund you for the portion of the service you don't use. But I guess you're just different.

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This is a monthly membership site. If you cancel your membership you will loose access to the site.

"Monthly" is the keyword there! We should lose access to it at the end of the billing cycle (after one month). Otherwise, you should at least give a partial refund!

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I?m not some selfish jerk that is just out to take peoples money and rip them off.

Funny that you felt the need to say that. Well, I never heard of you (Charles Ryder) before and I'm not in the habit of calling people names so I won't comment on the "selfish jerk" part. But let me tell you this. I do feel ripped off in this deal and I'm very unhappy to say the least. Tough luck for me, right? Why should you care?! Fine! I made a mistake and have to suffer the consequences. I can handle that. But I did learn some valuable lessons.

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My last reply the mediator took down all my testimonials. I wanted to show people what others think about me.

It's easy for anyone to elicit any kind of reaction. No rocket science there. You go to a park and start feeding the birds, of course, they're all gonna be happy and love you and flock all around you.

You go to a different park or even the same park on a different day and start shooting some of the birds, watch what happens!

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This is probably the last post I will make because I don?t have the time to respond to the forums all the time.

I agree with you on that one. This will probably be my last post too. I have spent more time here than I like to. It's a time and energy leech. I very seldom post to forums but I feel very strongly about this particular issue.

This is a public forum and I'll just let people form their own opinions.

I'll just say one more thing. You reap what you sow. That's one of the laws of the universe. It doesn't matter whether you believe in God or not, it applies to everyone.
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I'd just like to say one more thing too now that Mr. Ryder has told his side. My problem with the program wasn't if the system works or not cause I'm sure it does and I was in the process of finding out.

My only problem was with Diane Sullivan. I think she has shown her true colors with the quote I listed above. That was sent to me in an email that was unsolicited from her.



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I give good customer service to hard workers, not whiners, complainers, lazy people, and people who purchase mutiple programs and never use any of them.


That's just simply not true Diane. "Good" customer support would have simply told me...you will find the solo ads on such and such a page on our members site. Instead all I've recieved from you is name calling and berating for asking a simple question. THAT IS NOT GOOD CUSTOMER SUPPORT!

I'd only been in the program for two or three days and that's the first question I'd asked! I already had my advertisement set up and was ready to go but you shot that in the ass! How can you sit there and say you give good customer support? I even told another guy I talked to from your company that if you get rid of Diane Sullivan you will have gotten rid of the only problem I had with your company...and I'm sure quite a few other people feel the same way from what I read. In fact, I'm the one that told the person I talked to that there were alot of other people in this forum that felt the same way. I believe that most people that want to try your program would be fine with it until they have to deal with Diane and that's where the problems start.

I've learned a few lessons also. One thing I'll do from now on is asked to check out customer support before I come up off any funds. Not friendly...no money!
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