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edhelp1
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 10:12 pm
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| Andrea Thomson wrote: | edhelp1 says | Quote: | | LOL. no offence andrea.. use OPEN source FREE templates or blogs |
No worries Ed - I'm not offended. In fact, I agree with your advice to some degree.
Does free = quality? And if it's not a good template / product, how would a newbie know?
Sometimes we pay for a service because we recognize that we're not experts in a particular area. Or, maybe it's more cost effective to buy a quality product rather than spend the time evaluating a free one?
Times they are a changing... the SE's are really looking at the code so be sure you've checked it before they do  |
yes i agree andrea. not only are they looking for good content but good clean sites, the web builder martell is pushing is because he has a stake invested in it with someone else. meaning he doesnt own it.. but he has gone in partnership with someone else on it. I think you would agree andrea by looking at the sites it spews out its bad code |
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edhelp1
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| speedguide wrote: | EdHelp1,
Interesting post for the first one.
Help me out here...
| Quote: | | as for colins book.. i think its alright from the perspective that at least he honestly tells you to build good sites.. but the book could be wrapped up in 1 line >. Just build good sites.. other than that.. nothing new to be found in it.. overpriced |
Help us understand how you define "Just build good sites"?
Does a good site get traffic?
Make $$$
All the Best, |
A good site is one that meets the need of that marketplace, defining why you have a website is #1 not all sites are created for the purpose of profiting immediately or even at all. |
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speedguide
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 10:51 pm
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First... I see few items in your post.
| Quote: | | A good site is one that meets the need of that marketplace.... |
The marketplace is one thing.
The marketplace can also be a lot of different things. The market place has browsers and buyers. They may be the same or not.
What's the marketplace?
For example -- who is your customer? If you depend on pure organic search traffic, your customer is the the SE's. You MUST produce content they like. So the SE's are YOUR marketplace.
| Quote: | | .... defining why you have a website is #1 not all sites are created for the purpose of profiting immediately or even at all. |
You defining why you have a website is MUCH different than the marketplace.
| Quote: | | ...not all sites are created for the purpose of profiting immediately or even at all. |
Agreed
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John Lenaghan
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 11:38 pm
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| speedguide wrote: | | For example -- who is your customer? If you depend on pure organic search traffic, you're customer is the the SE's. You MUST produce content they like. So the SE's are YOU marketplace. |
To take that a step further, the searcher is the SE's customer. The search results are the "product" that they receive from the SE. If you've catered to your customer (the SE's) well, your site will show up in those results.
The trick is to convert the SE's customer into your customer when they get to your site. If you do that right, they should never need to go back to search for that information again (you give them all they need).
Another factor to consider is whether the searcher is really looking for what you are offering.
If someone searches for "notebook computers" they're probably in research mode. At this point, a good site to them would probably be a general content site that can give them information they want.
If they type in "hp pavilion dv8000t" they're probably looking for specific information on that model. A general site about notebooks won't be a good site for them.
If they type in "buy hp pavilion dv8000t" they're probably in buying mode and a shopping site would be a good site.
In my opinion, the concept of "quality" sites is painted with too wide a brush a lot of the time.
It's a matter of offering the right thing to the right people at the right time. If your site does that, I would consider it a quality site.
Just my 2 cents...
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speedguide
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:40 am
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John,
Well said... heck that was worth more than 2 cents.
I agree with you. Markets are very different and we need to understand WHO are market is. Now throw in some PPC and a list --- shake it and serve.
All the Best,
Gary
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Andrea Thomson
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:51 am
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I agree Gary - very well said John.
btw... what currency was that "2 cents" anyhow? Must be a pretty strong dollar (not Canadian!)
Edhelp1 says | Quote: | | ... I think you would agree andrea by looking at the sites it spews out its bad code |
It's always important to evaluate a tool before purchasing it / tying into a contract. Ask to see sites which are built using the tool and then evaluate the code for yourself. If you don't know how to do this - ask an expert for help. Think of it as an inexpensive insurance policy 
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robato
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| John Lenaghan wrote: |
If someone searches for "notebook computers" they're probably in research mode. At this point, a good site to them would probably be a general content site that can give them information they want.
If they type in "hp pavilion dv8000t" they're probably looking for specific information on that model. A general site about notebooks won't be a good site for them. |
Not to step on toes or argue, just curious....
why cant you have a general notebook computer site with reviews on the manufacturer or specs of every model of notebook on the market? I mean someone that searches "hp pavilion dv8000t" maybe doing a search to compair it to some other competitor or maybe looking for information that the manufaturers site doesnt list such as "their support is good but not as good as sonys" etc.
Im new so Im just asking stupid questions
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speedguide
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:23 am
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Nothing the matter with the question.
You can have content like that. Just keeping in mind the focus or what the person is looking for when creating the content.
John presented a very good way to look at your content or articles.
I would advise you read it again - I have -- there are some real nuggets in there to grab hold of. He's a smart guy.
All the Best,
Gary
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John Lenaghan
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:37 am
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| robato wrote: | Not to step on toes or argue, just curious....
why cant you have a general notebook computer site with reviews on the manufacturer or specs of every model of notebook on the market? I mean someone that searches "hp pavilion dv8000t" maybe doing a search to compair it to some other competitor or maybe looking for information that the manufaturers site doesnt list such as "their support is good but not as good as sonys" etc.
Im new so Im just asking stupid questions
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The only stupid question is the one you don't ask
Ultimately, that might be what you want - an authority site that covers everything from the general information through the details and then specific buying advice, like your support example.
I didn't mean to imply that all three cases couldn't be handled by the same site, just that the searcher has different needs in each case, so what constitutes a "good" site will vary depending on what they're actually looking for.
Incidentally, I think this is a good case for having a mailing list. With a mailing list you can lead people through the various stages and ultimately direct them to a purchase that earns you money, whether directly or through an affiliate commission.
If you don't have a list, you don't have a very good chance of making any money on the person in research mode. They're probably going to be looking at a lot of things before they buy anything and your site could easily be lost in the shuffle.
If they're on your list, you can continue to market to them after they've left your site, and keep yourself in the front of their mind when they get to the next stage.
I see my ultimate goal as doing everything I can to keep them from ever going back to the SE's to look for more information about the topic. I want them to come back to my site when they want more. |
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robato
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 7:28 pm
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| John Lenaghan wrote: |
I didn't mean to imply that all three cases couldn't be handled by the same site, just that the searcher has different needs in each case, so what constitutes a "good" site will vary depending on what they're actually looking for. |
Though I suppose its better to have a couple of sites, one being reviews, one being tutorials or advice etc. As to gain a bigger piece of the internet pie. Or not?
Im really new to selling mainstream items...I come from the adult side of this where its all about flooding the internet with as much crap as you can create using automated tools and cheap content, then using blackhat tricks and hope that 1 in 5000000000 visitors looking for free porn buys something.
Doing things from the perspective of building a list, acting as an authority and trying to sell based off of information is a whole knew world and a totally different ball game....Ive started on my first site, based on martells book, which doesnt really talk about building an opt in list etc. I sorta understand the concepts of all that, but I think I will do that sorta thing later. For now Im just writing articles for my first site. (I hope to have it posted in the review my site section real soon...keep an eye out for me!)
wow did this thread go off topic or what??!! (at least its not my fault) |
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BobShark
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:43 pm
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Some new posts say this forum should be more "postive" vs. negative. How about being truthful.
A new post (Jan 07) says that JM has built 90 sites. He had already built 90 sites in 2005? Does that mean he hasn't built anything new? He makes money selling training.
And once you get trained he'll sell you a (useless) web builder tool at double the price of other stores.
Read this whole thread again (Loyalty has a price)
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robato
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:59 pm
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Hey Bob, this thread has been quiet for a long time and then you chime in with that reply.
I know this topic is about martell, but Im curious as to what YOU do and how much YOU make sense we are being so truthful
Im not sticking up for martell or his methods, but man why chime in a year past the last post just to say something negative about someone else?
Most people who are successful worry about what they themselves do, not what others do.....
Im not trying flame you, I just dont get why you bad mouth someone else so much, why worry about martell's sites? who cares? Does it make you anything to say he is a liar? |
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flexprimo
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Well, since this thread seems to have been resurrected, I'm curious to know whether the Buzz has improved any since last April.
I cancelled it back then (and have to admit I haven't missed it - or even thought about it for several months).
For anyone still subscribed, has it been providing any useful info or is it still just a place for JM to sell products and talk about his Cobra/trips/new house/etc? |
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