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Lea
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:56 pm
Post subject: Not paid for October yet!!!!
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Hi,
Normally, my Payment History details shows me that a check has (or hasn't) been sent before the end of the month following the payment month.
But they haven't sent me anything for October and they certainly should have! It's now the 2nd December and that's AFTER the end of the month following and still nothing sent.
Could there be a reason for this???
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Debs
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:07 am
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Lea,
If I remember correctly, last months check (for September, issued end of October, mailed end of October) was not posted to the account until around the 4th of November. So be patient. I do remember receiving my check last month before the posting was ever live on my account too.
Debs
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:46 am
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| I read on another forum that someone emailed Google and asked about October earnings and Google responded that due to the Thanksgiving holiday, there is a delay in payment this month. They were not given a specific date. |
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Debs
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:49 am
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It wouldn't surprise me if there were, being a major holiday here. I would also expect that there may be some delay in payment for December as well.
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Lea
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:45 pm
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Oh. Okay - thanks everyone.
We don't get Thanksgiving out here, so I completely forgot about it!
I'll wait a little longer
Thanks again
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MinniePauz
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:57 am
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This kind of irritates me (although if I get my Oct. check today I'll be less irritated). I wonder if the advertisers were able to be late on their payments because of the holiday? My Sept. check was sent on Oct. 27 and posted in my account. I fully expected my Oct. check to be posted by now, but we're 3 days over the "within 30 days" and there seems to be no concern and no accountability. From what I've read, Google is making big bucks on Adsense and they need to be more prompt about paying us. After all, without us the program doesn't work.
I understand there's always kinks that have to be worked out in any new program and this has the potential to be a win-win for everyone involved, but there's also the chance for a lot of abuse and it's usually the small businesses that get screwed first. We have no idea how much advertisers are paying into this and no idea what percentage we're getting, or if there's any hope that the % could increase in the future. We have no explanation of why or when the revenue drops so dramatically and no control over the fluctuation other than to just remove the ads (which is what I will do if I determine it's not paying off to "cheapen" my site with ads).
Like I said, I'm a bit cranky this morning...... |
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Debs
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:12 pm
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I'll take Google being late a few days over waiting 90 on other merchants anyday.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:34 am
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I agree with you, Debs, but I also think Google could spit out an email to their publishers, or put a notice in our accounts, acknowledging that they are late and letting us know when the checks will be mailed.
They have allowed this program to grow so fast that they cannot keep up with it, and it's not just payment, there are a lot of technical issues that have arisen over the past couple of months that they have found no solution for. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:07 am
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What technical issues have arisen?
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:52 pm
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| Debs wrote: | I'll take Google being late a few days over waiting 90 on other merchants anyday.
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I understand your point, Debs, but I don't use any other merchants throughout my site (except for Amazon on my books page, and they suck), so it's hard for me to "settle" when I'm doing everything possible to follow the rules and my "partner" is not holding up their end. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:11 pm
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I do agree that considering the holiday and Google being late, they should have put a notice or emailed the publishers. I do know checks often go out several days before an update is made in the Adsense manager so that doesn't bother me.
I would expect the end of year checks and December checks will be late as well considering the holiday then as well. Google has been great about getting checks out on time, and financially they are very sound so I know payment is forthcoming.
That's why I am not worried or panicked over the current tardiness. I've seen way worse with other affiliate programs and merchants so it's all relative to me.
Considering you can't do anything about it, except decline to participate, I guess I just don't see what the frustration is about. I understand relying on income, believe me this tardiness has hit me as well in that regard, but when you market on the internet you need to keep things in perspective.
If you had an account you billed for at the end of the month, would you be calling for payment if you hadn't received payment within 30 days, or would you just send a notice?
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:22 pm
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| Quote: | | What technical issues have arisen? |
After marked increases in my earnings month-to-month until mid-October (I joined on 7/1/03), I began to see a steady decline in ad relevancy and earnings. I went back and forth, by email, with Google for two weeks, giving many examples (lots more than the "one page" they indicate). Their final reply was:
| Quote: | Thank you for your patience while we continued investigating this matter.
Our technology uses a sophisticated algorithm to understand the content
and context of any web page to provide relevant and a way to better
monetize your site. We are constantly revising our content targeting
algorithms in order to deliver the most relevant ads to a web page. While
this system works very well, at times, there are a small number of pages
where poorly targeted may appear.
Regretfully, the page you sent us appears to fit into this group. We
apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you and thank you for
bringing this to our attention. Your feedback will help us improve our
content targeting servers to prevent this. |
As a result, my CTR is down 25% and my EPC is down 35%. The reason that the EPC is down more than the CTR is because the non-relevant ads pay less than the relevant ads that appear on my site.
And the reason why I'm confident that it is a technical problem on Google's end is because ads that would be relevant to Page A (but not appearing on Page A) are appearing on Page B where they are not relevant, so they have the ad inventory. They're just not targeting properly. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:04 pm
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It is a combination of factors, not all in Google's control. When adsense first came out, the novelty of something no ones ever seen before drove up the CTR, but now people are getting "used" to the Ads. Also advertisers are probably spending less on it now because they aren't getting as good performance as they did when the ads first came out. I wouldn't call those "technical issues," just the economic laws of supply and demand.
Now the revelancy issue, I have no idea. I could be linked to the fact how the Google search index has been changing a lot, and possibly some of the same technology is being changed in Adsense as well.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:21 pm
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Has it occurred to anybody to wonder why, in this age of hi-tech instant gratification computing, the companies who are pioneering this arena still take 30 days or longer to cut and mail a check to those who are building their business?
I've run an affililiate program for 4 years, and checks to my affiliates have been out the door 2 to 3 days after the end of the month, or sooner, every month since the beginning. That is, checks for traffic delivered during July are mailed by August 3rd.
Well OK, Google probably has more partners than I do.  They also have a lot more money, a lot more employees, and a lot better technology. Think of it. Google can look over billions of web pages and give you the most relevant ones in a few seconds, but it takes them 30 days to write a check.
Affiliate managers take note. You can easily gain credibility with your partners, and get a big edge on your competitors, simply by changing the day of the month that you mail checks. If you can't pay more than your competitors, pay sooner.
Those affiliate managers who might reply to say why this isn't possible should be prepared to explain why one guy working at home in his pajamas can do it, but a big office building full of skilled professional employees can not.
It's time for even the accounting department to join the 21st century!
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Bobby
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:29 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | Also advertisers are probably spending less on it now because they aren't getting as good performance as they did when the ads first came out. |
If I understand you correctly, I disagree with this assessment. It seems as if you're saying that AdWords advertisers are spending less on AdWords since the introduction of AdSense.
I certainly have not cut back on my AdWords purchases, in fact, I have increased.
Good performance is determined by whether or not the customer buys your product or service after clicking on your AdWords ad on a page displaying your ad via AdSense. Your site's performance (ROI) is determined by what happens after someone has clicked on your ad via AdSense, whether that happens 1 time or 1,000 times.
One possible exception to this would be if a person repeatedly sees your AdWords ad displayed via AdSense, clicks on it, and never makes a purchase. I doubt that is happening much unless you have different AdWords ads with different text making it appear to be different ads.
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