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| Yes he is destroying the reputation internet marketing |
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:04 pm
Post subject: $20,000 in fraud and identity theft www.BewareOfJoeKumar.com
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Please help! Joe Kumar has now been involved in the commission of more than $20,000 in fraud and the theft of identities of well know internet marketers to assist in his cons.
This is serious! If you have a list get the word out.
All the evidence from many well known internet marketers is now published at www.BewareOfJoeKumar.com
Please help get the word out! We need your assistance!
SEE THE EVIDENCE NOW @ [url=http://www.www.bewareofjoekumar.com/]www.BewareOfJoeKumar.com[url]
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Joe Kumar has now been involved in more than $20,000 in fraud and the identity theft of well known internet marketers. See all the evidence here! |
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:18 am
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Hi BewareofJoeKumar
You make some very serious allegations there.
Who are you?
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shreds-d5
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:15 am
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Dear Allan,
I sincerely hope that you are feeling much better ... a warm hug and a prayer going your way!
I am so bumfuzzled. For a long time now I have been really REALLY wanting to start a web business. I have followed you for years and trust your intentions implicitly. However, it seems that each time I "begin to begin" some new boogeyman jumps out at me. Case in point is this Joe Kumar. I recently purchased his 30 days marketing book, fortunately for a good price, and now this? Of course, I have received follow-up marketing emails, but from his "sister" Anand. Are they one and the same person? I have also seriously been considering Cory Rudl's 2004 marketing book, but once again am wondering is it real or is it just another lead-in selling something else instead of helping me get going (for a reasonable price) in the right direction. I seriously went through a terrible terrible couple of years in the wilderness myself and am now ready to move positively forward. I have learned a lot during that time through research, etc., but also have encountered a great deal of confusion trying to determine what's good valuable advice and or just another "give me your money" sales pitch. I would really like to get started on the right path without a couple more years of stumbling around, life is short. Help, please!!!
I was also on the verge of trying "Site Build-It," but in reading the pros and cons, are they addressing the complaints of those who would like to see more flexibility within the product as far as the design side by adding more template and/or graphical choices, etc.?
I am really on the verge of finally "getting out there," but am confused as to what to use, a website software package from the computer store, or an affiliate product that actually offers a better solution.
Any guidance that you can offer will be much appreciated. Take good care of yourself, OK! Jen |
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Jen, Thanks for the kind words. As others on this forum will tell you, there are many different paths to success on the Internet. You have to find the one that best suits your skills, interests and temperament.
If you've been following me for years, you must already know which path I recommend above all others for anyone who's new to affiliate programs or is struggling to earn a decent income from them.
Just a glance at my main page at http://www.AssociatePrograms.com should be enough to confirm what you probably already know.
I believe that the safest way to go is to build a useful, interesting, information-rich, keyword rich web site that other people will think is worth linking to. With such a site, you don't have to create your own products and you can earn revenue from AdSense and affiliate programs.
Now it's just a matter of taking that first step on the path to success 
Hope that helps.
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shreds-df
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:09 am
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Dear Allan,
Thank you so much for your prompt response. Last night I penned an extensive response but was kicked off by my internet connection before I could post it. I appreciate your help and will review some of your startup info again as it's been some time and I recently just started over studying the prospects. My problem is that I have been developing a project for some time that I feel has real value that could actually work as an actual affiliate program though it's not yet ready to go live, but would also like to feel comfortably established with a web site, etc. before I do get it out there. For that reason I'm looking for a web site package that I feel is securely mine after paying for it and is easy to edit, personalize and update on my own, plus find a reasonably priced host that I can stay with long term. I realize I need to get over the analysis paralysis (learned through many starts in wrong directions, LOL) and just get on with it. Guess I'm just looking for some validation as to who is content with what and who has the most flexible program. Thanks again! Jen |
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:46 am
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| shreds-d5 wrote: | | Case in point is this Joe Kumar. I recently purchased his 30 days marketing book, fortunately for a good price, and now this? |
The book Joe compiled is brilliant - one of the best-value ebooks on the Internet. The fact that since it was published Joe has done some foolish, childish and - if recent allegations are to be believed - worse things doesn't change the fact that you bought a top-notch book crammed with heaps of useful information.
| Quote: | | I have also seriously been considering Cory Rudl's 2004 marketing book, but once again am wondering is it real or is it just another lead-in selling something else instead of helping me get going (for a reasonable price) in the right direction. |
You can learn a huge deal by studying exactly what Corey does. Such information would be especially useful if you're planning to have your products and your own affiliate program.
| Quote: | | I was also on the verge of trying "Site Build-It," but in reading the pros and cons, are they addressing the complaints of those who would like to see more flexibility within the product as far as the design side by adding more template and/or graphical choices, etc.? |
SBI has been remarkably responsive to its customers' requests, introducing a host of improvements, with more planned.
We've built several sites with it, and we're busy building more.
SBI is now compatible with Dreamweaver and FrontPage. If you wish, you can use one of them and drop your pages into SBI. So there's now a lot more flexibility than before. However, I believe SBI is best for people who understand the advantage of having a fairly simple site - one that allows them to concentrate on creating pages that get found in search engines instead of getting bogged down in techie stuff. If you want to build a complex database, for example, I think you'd need some other package.
| Quote: | | I am really on the verge of finally "getting out there," but am confused as to what to use, a website software package from the computer store, or an affiliate product that actually offers a better solution. |
Have a look at some of the sites that have been built using SBI and see if any of them are anything like what you have in mind.
Allan Gardyne - AssociatePrograms.com
The Complete Site Build It! Reference Center...
This Link Directory May Change Your Affiliate Business
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I just want to add another consumer viewpoint to help you Jen. I bought SBI in July and I bought another one just a few weeks ago. That must tell you something! As with all products it isn't going to suit everyone but you do get what they say you will get. So the thing is to work out what you expect before you buy it and check it out. There is no risk since they refund if you are not happy with it at any stage
I find SBI lives up to its reputation and actually does give you what it promises and more. The manual that comes with it is worth a lot- by itself and it will help you with any program you decide to use. Customer service is very good.
I don't think that any of the well known names are likely to cheat you because they would instantly be known and unable to continue selling. I have heard the Jo Kumar stuff, I read about it on Ken Silver's forum a while back. However as Allan says it does not mean his book is rubbish. He is probably unlikely to sell anything else though.
This site is a wonderful resource as here you can ask about affiliate programs etc. and get an idea about them before you jump. And you never get flamed!
I understand how confusing it is for you, I get confused too! You can check out my site built with SBI but if you don't like it that doesn't mean you will not like SBI. SBI sites are all different and some people use HTML so the look and feel can vary a lot too. Plus you can edit the look and feel template that SBI gives you. Its very adaptable.
Allan its good to 'see' you back. Hope that means all is going well.
Hope this helps
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:22 am
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Sorry, I'm a bit late jumping into this thread, but I'd like to add a few thoughts of my own...
| AllanGardyne wrote: | | The book Joe compiled is brilliant - one of the best-value ebooks on the Internet. The fact that since it was published Joe has done some foolish, childish and - if recent allegations are to be believed - worse things doesn't change the fact that you bought a top-notch book crammed with heaps of useful information. |
Although Joe's book contains some useful information, there has always one big problem with it, from my point of view - at least for certain sorts of people...
Too many alternatives.
As a semi-retired "expert procrastinator" and "paralysed analyst", I know what effect this book would have had on me as a newbie - and apparently my problems are far from unique.
[Ken Evoy often refers to this as "aim, aim, aim..." I love this description - in particular for it's irony in my case. I suppose we all just need different "triggers".]
As far as Joe Kumar's problems, I blame the super affiliates for creating him in the first place - at least those of them who are going for his throat now they've made their 75% cut.
| AllanGardyne wrote: | | You can learn a huge deal by studying exactly what Corey does. Such information would be especially useful if you're planning to have your products and your own affiliate program. |
If you have been brought up with Ken Evoy, a second more direct-marketing-style approach is always a good thing.
Some people (including me) think Ken isn't a strong enough advocate of email marketing, especially, and Corey Rudl, Terry Dean (warts 'n' all) amongst others prove interesting mentors, from my point of view.
Marketers tend to work in groups, and sometimes you need to break away from one group just to see the whole picture. Networks are very powerful for the members, but can be a hindrance to truth seekers on the outside, I often feel.
Just my thoughts,
Charlie.
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:54 pm
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Hi!
| shreds-d5 wrote: |
I recently purchased his 30 days marketing book, fortunately for a good price, and now this? |
I don't agree with Allan, Joe's ebook isn't brilliant! I think that only 5-6 of the
30 days strategies are good - very good. Most of the plans are a waste of
money! The only thing they want, is selling their stuff through their links.
Don't get me wrong. I don't have anything against making money, but if
the plan is bull..... then I don't see why I should buy their products. But some
resellers are now offer the ebook for $27 or $37, that is a price where I think
it is worth the money. Also have a look at Shawn Casey's new ebook, which
is a lot better in my personal opinion then Joe's ebook.
Shawn Casey's new ebook
(This is an affiliate link -> if you click and buy the ebook, I earn a commission!)
All the best
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:04 pm
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I bought the 30 day book from Joe Kumar fairly early on.
I think that it has some excellent options... and some common sense ones...
And I agree with Charlie. It has to many options for most people...
So just pick ONE and do it. Then pick a second ONE and do that...
Rinse and repeat as necessary...
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| Quote: | Also have a look at Shawn Casey's new ebook, which
is a lot better in my personal opinion then Joe's ebook.
Shawn Casey's new ebook. |
I had a look at the page for this book. I would like to know if you have made lots of money, or any money, with the methods described in it, other than by selling it to other people? All these selling type web sites begin to sound the same after a while. I am getting cynical!
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:45 pm
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Hi LizB!
This ebook is not for everyone! They don't say YOU WILL MAKE $1000 or
more! What have you to loose?
I always act like this:
I buy it and try it - if I'm happy with the result or the product my
accounts reflects the truth!!!
But most people fail, because they don't buy it and try it own their own
or they just buy it and think all they have do is waiting for the money.
But the truth is, you have do some work on your own - that's the key.
If you don't trust it, don't buy it. I know there is a lot of crap out there,
but this ebook is one of the better ones.
The methods teached in this ebook are not completely new to me, but
most people don't know them or haven't realized them. I'm very happy
with my account statement so far this year.
All the best
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| WOW, thanks everyone (Allan, Liz, Charlie, dk, edburdo) for your enthusiastic input. "... semi-retired "expert procrastinator" and "paralysed analyst", Charlie you had me laughing on that one ... hey, I resemble that!!! LOL The internet never ceases to amaze me, here we arechatting from all over the world and seeking the same dream ... independence and freedom. It's a wonderful thing! Allan, I am plugging through Joe's book and have spent a lot of time last couple days researching SBI sites. After going beyond the "sample" ones, many look as good as anything out there, so no doubt SBI will be just fine. I'm on information overload for now, but will probably sign up shortly. Now, I just have to get kicking working on my "stuff." Take care all! |
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:32 pm
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Hello Eric.
| edburdo wrote: | And I agree with Charlie. It has to many options for most people...
So just pick ONE and do it. Then pick a second ONE and do that... |
Nice one, Eric!
You sound just a little too decisive for comfort. 
But which one first?
(And if you say it doesn't matter, I'll "know" you haven't read Joe's book.)
On a slightly different subject, the different approaches contributors (to Joe's book) took reminds me of how different conference speakers (I am told) have to choose between pushing a sales pitch down people's throats or actually giving them some useful information they have paid hundreds or thousands to receive.
Incidentally, Neil Shearing's plan made a good impression on me (and perhaps Joe, too). Strange how it was one of the shortest, and contained little if any promotion.
Just a thought,
Charlie.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:15 pm
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I only read half of the 2nd edition...
But my favorite was Carmen's... She did some promotion in hers, but not as bad as others.
I think that the best one to pick is the one that jumps out and you... the one that after reading it you say "WOW! I know I can do that...".
And me being decisive? I may sound that way... but I only have one site, and it is only about 60% done... :( And about 20 other ideas that I want to do, but I can't make myself work on...
And my quote for the day:
Indeciscion may or may not be my problem... :)
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