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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:02 am
Post subject: Can incoming links from articles hurt you?
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| I read some posts that suggest that incoming links from articles could hurt your site. Google says that almost nothing another site does can hurt your site rankings. Does a great increase in links from other sites go in the category of "almost nothing"? |
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:19 am
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| Anonymous wrote: | | Google says that almost nothing another site does can hurt your site rankings. |
That is what I have been taught and followed. Really it makes no sense and helps no one if I could put 500 links to my biggest competitor and wipe out their rankings.
I think at the worst it helps you LESS then someone linking to your site because of your great content.
I wouldn't worry over it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:55 am
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The answer may be, "It all depends."
This only anecdotal evidence, not proof...
A friend gave AssociatePrograms.com a huge number of site-wide links without harming its rankings in Google.
However, some months ago I did an experiment with a smaller site which had many fewer links, rapidly buying thousands of site-wide links. The result was a very steep decline in rankings. (Rankings went down in Google and UP nicely in MSN and Yahoo!)
So it may depend on the proportion of your links that are involved. Just a guess.
I don't plan to buy site-wide links again.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:50 pm
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Thanks guys, both your points make sense.
My google rankings got shot down in their last update so I guess it can't hurt, I think I'll just keep submitting articles and let the chips fall where they fall with the SE's |
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:11 pm
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Here's my 2 cents:
Google lately has come out against "unnatural" linking. Indescriminate reciprocal linking is frowned upon. Getting too many links too fast is frowned upon.
Google loves one way "authoritative" links... that would be an article directory (presumably with decent page rank) that links to your site. The rate at which your article is posted on the internet is typically over six weeks or so which would counter the too many links too fast problem.
So, in short. Google will not penalize you for having a large number of incoming links from sites that use your article. This is the type of behavior they like to reward.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:48 pm
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| Quote: | | The rate at which your article is posted on the internet is typically over six weeks or so which would counter the too many links too fast problem. |
Bonnie,
I find that my articles are on the SE's right away, so with one article posted to article directories, that's close to 200 links. They are oneway, just wondering how many oneway links in one month is too many?
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:43 pm
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| beingcre8tive wrote: | | ...just wondering how many oneway links in one month is too many? |
I suspect this is an another of those "It all depends" deals. A large, old, well established site with thousands of links to it can add 200 new links to it without any problems with Google.
I'm not sure if a brand new site can do the same.
I own a new website which so far seems to have escaped the Google sandbox. We're treading very carefully, adding just a handful of new links to it a week at this stage.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:52 pm
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I agree with Allan in that it all depends on many factors. Google takes into account whether the links are coming from link farms or from article directories. You can get thousands of links from one article so 200 in a month may not be too many. Google is aware of marketing with articles and I think they are more concerned with link farms and unrelated reciprocal links.
Your best bet is to build your website traffic with articles, links in search directories, posting to forums, etc. Use more than one technique to build traffic and that will look more natural to search engines. Operate with dignity and respect the rules and you will not incur the wrath of the search engines.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:37 pm
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| AllanGardyne wrote: | | However, some months ago I did an experiment with a smaller site which had many fewer links, rapidly buying thousands of site-wide links. The result was a very steep decline in rankings. (Rankings went down in Google and UP nicely in MSN and Yahoo!) |
Perhaps Google changed an algo instead.
I've seen plenty of new sites get news coverage and get tons of IBL very quickly and do just fine in the SERP.
Like you said, it just depends.
But I have seen similiar results adding IBL more slowly to my newer sites. I'll usually have a couple added and let the site simmer for a few months before I begin distributing articles and getting more IBL.
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:47 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | Perhaps Google changed an algo instead. |
Not in this case. I have two sites competing against each other in the same industry. The one which acquired all the links quickly, suffered - the other one didn't.
As you say, it seems to be a very complex topic. It's so easy to look at one factor in isolation and jump to the wrong conclusion.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:47 pm
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| AllanGardyne wrote: | | robertb wrote: | | Perhaps Google changed an algo instead. |
Not in this case. I have two sites competing against each other in the same industry. The one which acquired all the links quickly, suffered - the other one didn't.
As you say, it seems to be a very complex topic. It's so easy to look at one factor in isolation and jump to the wrong conclusion. |
Unless the content was exactly the same on each site, then it doesn't mean that an algo change couldn't have been the culpriate; it's hard to make absolute statements in SEO anymore.
I've had sites with the same topic and different content be affected differently during algo changes, even earn different amounts from Adsense with the same amount of traffic.
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