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It's been over a month since my first "thesaurized" site went up. Earnings have increased to about $3-5 a day. Other sites have also started earning lower amounts.
Thanks for your recommendations, Allan!
Sure, I agree these are not whitehat sites. Plus, it takes a lot of work to get that thesaurization done. Just the thesaurization takes me more than the 4 hours that Neil Shearing claims is required to do a complete site. So its not easy. But I can report that it does work.
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How's this for a techniqe that works and doesn't require you to buy anything:
Work on building something useful to your visitors. A "thesaurized" website is not a useful site, in my opinion. Building a gazillion sites using automated or semi-automated techniques is more spam than useful.
How about striving to have a "Yahoo Pick" site instead of being a TE/DG/AB site?
Do you all want to land on one of these sites when you do a search on Google? I know I don't. Junk in, junk out; spam in, spam out. No matter how you cut it, if the purpose is to create adsense sites for the sake of adsense income alone, it's purpose is more spam than not.
I looked into this product and now that I realize what it seeks to accomplish, I'm not impressed. As a matter of fact, it's given me a negative impression of Neil Shearing and what he chooses to promote in the future will be viewed with caution. I'm sure NS is making a lot of money off of everyone who purchased this. But not from me. I'm going to keep working on my tech blogs that are now bringing me $1500 a month each in adsense/yahoo/chitika income. You all want inspiration? Check out problogger.net, mobiletracker.net, weblogsinc.com (which just sold to AOL for $25 million--not bad for a 2 year old blog network started by one guy in his basement) for inspiration instead of chasing the latest "technique".
Good luck to all.
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Well, I can see your point. As competition grows tougher, the sites that stand the best chance of survival in the SERPs are the high quality ones with lots of links in, etc.
I do have other "honest" sites as well. Two of those sites are listed in both the yahoo directory and DMOZ. And they bring in some money.
Having said that, the AIS technique does work for now. I'm grateful Neil put together that ebook and that Allan recommended it.
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This seems to be interesting. But how much will it cost me if I have to use Neil's system for one complete year considering the software he recommends? I just want know what will be my total expenditure for next year? I am just asking this, so that I can plan for next year based on the expenses involved.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:17 am
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| sdr wrote: | | I'm grateful Neil put together that ebook and that Allan recommended it. |
While recommending it, I stressed the need for quality.
Here are three snippets from the review in my newsletter:
| Quote: | One thing that bothers me about Neil's book is that it could be very dangerous in the wrong hands.
The tools he describes have push-button automation features that have a huge capacity for misuse. |
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| Quote: | I'd like to have seen him put more emphasis on producing sites which will generate revenue long term.
I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out that you can adapt the process Neil describes. |
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| Quote: | | The more you do to add value to the Internet, the more chance you'll have that your sites will still be generating useful revenue years from now. |
I then described a way in which you could modify the method Neil describes.
So what I was really recommending was a modification of Neil's method.
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I take your points, Allan.
Actually, this method isn't as easy as it sounds. It does take a fair bit of work to create thesaurized versions of an article that are unique while remaining readable. Anyone who's tried it will know what I'm talking about.
That's one reason why these kinds of sites probably won't ever be produced in massive quantities like TE sites.
Krishna, to answer your question on expenses.
Articlebot costs you $50 per month. Neil also recommends XSitePro, which is $200, I think. But if you have your own templates or are willing to buy them, you don't really need XSitePro. Plus he recommends wordtracker for keyword research (can't avoid this one) and Andy Willaim's keyword analyzer (which can be easily avoided if you know how to use Excel).
There's also a set of videos Neil has produced where he apparently talks about a budget version of the tools. I don't have his videos so I don't know what those would be.
Hope that is of some use.
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Bill,
My point about being here for a while was dealing with historical context for my "personal" or posts here. I have been accused many things. Hypser is not one. I have no dog in the software or net marketing hunt.
My point stands that a newbie that can cut and paste and upload files can create a website in the amount of time I stated and after linking it can generate money from it.
I am not stating that it is good or bad. It just is. If that is hype--well, nm, it is not hype.
Me mentioning my software was a way to work in the idea that automation is possible with "original" content as well. Can a newbie do that? I dunno. I don't know what the deff of a newbie to net biz is. I do know that not all people new to net money making and business are noobs to programming and or system creation.
I wanted to add a diff side to the coin as most often the one side that stays on this forum is about hard earned content creation through original writing. That is fine. It has much more resell value (about.com comes to mind). However, shutting the rest down as unsustainable or hype is not true.
We do not have to paint things with an evil brush or wreck a model just because it does not sit well with us philosophically. I tend to like all cards being put on the table before make choices. Sure, we all have lenses we gaze through. But, being aware helps down the road where we are sure to discover that our views were a bit off.
For instance, 5 years ago I would have called you a hypster or bs'er if you told me that I could create a dedicated server with 400 reseller accounts ready to upload sites to with 400 desperate domains and 400 mysql databases within 10 min. I didn't know then what I know now.
I also would have said that dropping 45 lbs of fat and adding 20 lbs of muscle in 10 weeks was not possible without roids or that if you made millions you could pay less than 10% in taxes or...heck there are tons of things that we place limitations on.
Knowing the right people or how to get to the right research helps. Will a newbie no that? Those that are critical thinkers will.
We can continue this on another thread if need be as I have already contributed to the hijacking (sorry Alan).
Bill, for what it is worth I am betting we share more in common on the premise of business and thinking then is coming across I do apreciate your desire to put forth good data. |
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If IF IF you are going to build these type of sites you need to ditch the thought of trying to mix methods. Call it what it is: you are building non-brandable sites. Or to put it more blunt: Trash sites.
| Quote: | | Well, I can see your point. As competition grows tougher, the sites that stand the best chance of survival in the SERPs are the high quality ones with lots of links in, etc. |
Again IF you are going to go this route why dress it up? You need speed and you need to understand that they will not hold up for a long period. Meaning you will be burning through domains and sites. It is not uncommon for big builders to go through 50-70 sites a day.
The idea is to make a buck a site per day and after de-indexing to be able to double the roi of a domain name and hosting.
To make money long term you will need thousands. Many use this method to make a bank roll to build large networks of content sites (pay authors or bloggers at a higher level for better content-5-10 cents a word) or to move the money into other areas.
The thinking is: hey, my content sucks on the quick sites but the products/ebooks/adsense ads hold the big quality. Means to an end type of thinking.
Again, Neil dresses it up. That bugs a bit. The essence and 80/20 of it is to do it large and fast.
If you are looking at 1-2 sites a month you will be heartbroken. If you are wanting to write home to mom and show your work she will not be proud. If you want that then you need to do what Allan is talkin about.
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I find all this fascinating. Referring to an earlier post... | Jscott wrote: | | And yes, with some work and outsourcing I can develop a totally original site by combining elements in a database in about 12 min. Sure the back-end work to develop the system cost me money and time. Yet, that was a one time deal. |
Is there any chance you could tell us more about how you do this stuff?
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| Quote: | | Is there any chance you could tell us more about how you do this stuff? |
Sure.
The concept is the same that is done with your site. I am guessing that many elements on this site are controlled by includes (php or server side Includes). The pages pull data though the data is not hard coded in. You save tons of time doing it like that.
The same can happen with any data it is just a little more complex.
You utilize an online database (I am a fan of open source so I use mysql) to house your data and it pulls the data based on keywords. So, if I had a site on cola I would use php code to pull all articles, tables, pictures, whatever, that are tagged with those characteristics.
The same thing happens when you type something into a blog engine, rss engine like gada.be or even a search engine. The more data the more complex it needs to be.
It takes a while (it did for me) to think it through before programming it but once it is done you can have writers or bloggers or submitters to input the data via a form or script and it is read for you to use.
I let my server do the work and it is cached on the back end (after a visit) but, to my knowlege, this is how most large amounts of data gets configured.
Once the system is set-up your time spent goes down to nothing. All my stuff is done using php. It is just a way to manage and deal with data.
It sure as heck beats coding it in by hand or inputting it manually through a form (via content management software etc).
Was that clear? Not sure it was to me. I am goin on a "web bender" and sleep has not happened in 31 hours so yeah, wake me up later if it was incoherent lol. |
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| Jscott wrote: | | We do not have to paint things with an evil brush or wreck a model just because it does not sit well with us philosophically. |
To me this is much more than just philosophy. It has everything to do with preserving and enhancing a web that is useful as a searcher, but also one everyone else will keep on using and provide us all with a working environment ad infinitum (or even longer).
Imagine a shopping centre (mall) where ever more shops used tactics that put of shoppers, so that in the end, no shoppers visited at all, so all the shops lost out.
| Quote: | | If you are wanting to write home to mom and show your work she will not be proud. |
What about your own pride?
I think I understand your "PHP/SSI" philosophy, and that's all well and good. But surely it depends what you are including. Where does the content come from and how is it selected?
Using good content management is very different from scraping.
Just my opinion,
Charlie.
P.S. On a positive note...
| Quote: | | I also would have said that dropping 45 lbs of fat and adding 20 lbs of muscle in 10 weeks was not possible without roids |
Around the age of thirty, I had "put on weight for a part I no longer needed to play"...
By a combination of very aggressive weight training, road running and cross country skiing (machine) I lost 50 lbs in around 12 weeks. And this doesn't take into account the noticebale muscle gains at the same time.
(Have you heard the stories of people who are rescued after days at sea and they can't stop treading water once on dry land? Well, if I got up from a chair, I would almost run across the room but with my arms swinging and feet almost gliding. Talk about muscle memory.)
I continued to eat a great deal, though did cut out some fats.
When skiing I would literally stare at a ticking clock for 90 minutes. When running I used to chant "Every day I grow fitter... stronger... faster. (Yes really.) When doing weights I just growled on the exhale. (I've always loved weights.)
This was done alone - just constant visualisation of where I was going.
The point is, if you are focused enough and combine will power with positive imagination, you can achieve quite a lot whether it's affiliate programs or anything. Just make sure you want to go where you are heading and you have a way of monitoring incremental successes.
Oh and give your knees a chance...
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Thanks San. That means Article Bot and Wordtracker full year membership will cost around 600 + 250 = $ 850. Plus hosting and domain charges. Will I need any other thing for automation? Please reply.
| Quote: | Around the age of thirty, I had "put on weight for a part I no longer needed to play"...
By a combination of very aggressive weight training, road running and cross country skiing (machine) I lost 50 lbs in around 12 weeks. And this doesn't take into account the noticebale muscle gains at the same time.
(Have you heard the stories of people who are rescued after days at sea and they can't stop treading water once on dry land? Well, if I got up from a chair, I would almost run across the room but with my arms swinging and feet almost gliding. Talk about muscle memory.)
I continued to eat a great deal, though did cut out some fats.
When skiing I would literally stare at a ticking clock for 90 minutes. When running I used to chant "Every day I grow fitter... stronger... faster. (Yes really.) When doing weights I just growled on the exhale. (I've always loved weights.)
This was done alone - just constant visualisation of where I was going.
The point is, if you are focused enough and combine will power with positive imagination, you can achieve quite a lot whether it's affiliate programs or anything. Just make sure you want to go where you are heading and you have a way of monitoring incremental successes.
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Charlie, Excellent reply. You made my day. This is what is required, if you want to achieve the success. I agree with you.
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Charlie,
Sheez. Not sure if I have the "awakeness" (oh how fun that could be off a spin of awareness) for this but lets play.
| Quote: | | o me this is much more than just philosophy. It has everything to do with preserving and enhancing a web that is useful as a searcher, but also one everyone else will keep on using and provide us all with a working environment ad infinitum (or even longer). |
I am not advocating one way or the other. I was dealing with the question of how and was directing my comments to the poster above me--I think. I would note, however, that I do not want a web that is totally enhanced nor elite. I want a wild west web where money does not buy you a game at the table.
| Quote: | | Imagine a shopping centre (mall) where ever more shops used tactics that put of shoppers, so that in the end, no shoppers visited at all, so all the shops lost out. |
I don't think that metaphor works with the net. I could be wrong.
| Quote: | If you are wanting to write home to mom and show your work she will not be proud.
What about your own pride? |
I don't take pride in my output. That goes for a great writing piece or the birth of my son. Things just "are" for me. But I was not dealing with my own pride or want of pride.
I was dealing with working neil's book like the tone lends it to lead. That is mass site output. I was stating that if you want to show off your site this path was not the way (unless you are not a script kiddie). It was a point of discouraging the use.
And from what I read of neil's book he was not dealing with high end content. But, this was in response to a method not to what I think "should be." Just offering the other side here as I was not seeing it talked about from a knowledgeable perspective.
| Quote: | I think I understand your "PHP/SSI" philosophy, and that's all well and good. But surely it depends what you are including. Where does the content come from and how is it selected?
Using good content management is very different from scraping. |
You are joining two different posts. What I replied to Allan about was my own tool that takes "quality and original" writing and scales it. I think I stated where it came from and how it was pulled. But again, writing goes into a database and is selected based on keywords or subject. No different than what you would do at highbeam.com
Now on the positives 
| Quote: | | By a combination of very aggressive weight training, road running and cross country skiing (machine) I lost 50 lbs in around 12 weeks. And this doesn't take into account the noticebale muscle gains at the same time. |
Yes, I found the same thing. Hit 28 and the muscle guy had fat for the first time. I busted it and lost it without any big pill or drug. Then I did some studying with a strength coach and found static training made a liar out of the status quo trainers that said I could only add a few lbs of muscle a month. I also was "encouraged" to take a roid test because of a contest when "experts" said what I did was impossible. Friggin experts.
I missed your knee reference though. Drat it! |
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| Jscott wrote: | | We do not have to paint things with an evil brush or wreck a model just because it does not sit well with us philosophically. |
| Charlie wrote: | | To me this is much more than just philosophy. It has everything to do with preserving and enhancing a web that is useful to a searcher |
I agree with you both.
Endless back and forth moralism (my favorite game!  ) is never going to bring us better SERPs, and ignoring the relevancy challenge is not going to bring us better customers. We've tried both for 10 years.
My guess is using automation to try to index every one of billions of web pages might be the problem.
It's just like the world of email. Having an open email system or automated SERPs is a good idea in theory, and probably was apppropriate back before everybody on the planet was on the Net.
But neither of these logical ideas has survived their encounter with the real world.
So long as we have automated SERPs, the SEO games will continue, and the relevancy of SERP's, and the Web's appeal to the buying public, will remain in doubt.
Automated SERPs are the cheapo "you get what you pay for" searching solution. So long as they are at the center of the Web, web publisher's futures are imprisoned within that brand.
You'd think someone at Google might be brilliant enough to sell the public on paying a modest fee for human reviewed results. You'd think web publishers might be smart enough to help them pull it off. The irony is, for once it's not a scam, as I'm guessing human reviewed results from Google really would save you enough time to merit the expense.
Imagine a world without SEO. It's a fascinating dream, eh?
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