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dgoliath
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:52 pm
Post subject: Articles: when should we be consumers rather than producers?
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I understand that the backbone of a good affiliate site is properly targeted content, and lots of it. But under what kinds of circumstances is it best to be a *consumer* of articles? Should any affiliate use them, or are they best left to other types of delivery: portals, ezines, etc?
I have an idea: to get an affiliate site off the ground *instantly*, comb the article directories for scads of material most closely related to your keyword phrases. Deploy the material to your site. Then, on a very consistent basis, replace those articles one at a time with your own material.
Advantages: you get to start out with a complete site right from the word Go. This should make Google happy. A consistent schedule of content updates/changes will keep GoogleBot coming back on a regular basis.
Disadvantages: you start out with a bunch of pages with links directing surfers to likely competitors, enriching them in the short term. You can place other links on those pages, but the more links you use to dissuade surfers from clicking on the article's Resource Box, the more PageRank you dissipate.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:24 pm
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Beware the dreaded duplicate content filter.
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dgoliath
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:42 pm
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I'm a bit of a newbie, but I've seen that term thrown around a bit. I thought it referred only to sites done up by tools like Traffic Equalizer.
Plus, how can Google really penalize those who use articles in an honest, useful manner? Places like EzineArticles don't exist just for authors, but publishers too. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:06 pm
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Non the less, Google doesn't like duplicate content. It will usually place the original fine but duplicates will be thrown to the bottom of the results list.
This is their way of combating cookie cutter sites like datafeeds and other "no effort involved" sites.
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dgoliath
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:13 pm
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Then there is absolutely no reason for any publisher to ever use an article from an article bank. Which means, in essence, that places like EzineArticles and GoArticles are in and of themselves giant Google hacks which should be avoided like the plague, because eventually Google will penalize those sites that submit articles.
And article banks themselves should be penalized too -- after all they are just giant repositories of duplicate content, no? EzineArticle's PR of 7 is just a temporary mirage? |
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mdmsports
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:05 pm
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You can generally bypass duplicate content penalties by making your pages unique.
No, you cannot modify the copyrighted article, but you can write an introduction, and/or you can add a summary at the end, and/or you can break it up into multiple pages linked together like many big sites do, and/or (I've never done this, but I assume it's acceptable), you can intersperse other content between sections of the article, maybe a boxed link to another page, another related article, etc., like SiteProNews does all the time for example:
http://www.sitepronews.com/
But yes, if you're going to just slap the article into your site template, without any thought or work, you might as well forget it, because the duplicate content filter will kick in. It's not necessarily the original article that gets shown, though, it's the highest ranking page.
That being said, if the article provides visitor value, that in itself is a reason to post it, linked off your sitemap. The article itself might not rank highly, but if your site has enough good content, it might get bookmarked and recommended to others, which is even better.
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:35 am
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Too much of anything is never good. Never make a site with JUST other people's articles, or JUST short crappy articles, or JUST long informational pieces. Anytime you display a pattern it's easier for Google to pick up.
I see what you're saying about just starting a site with duplicate content, but Google does have good reasons for frowning apon it. Imagine if you searched for something and the same article came up for all 10 results, just on different sites.
Mix up the articles from the article banks with unique articles on the site. And as mentioned before, add some text above and below the duplicate articles to make them more unique.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:33 pm
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I can add new text above and below sourced articles with the best of them.
The question is how much additional writing is required. Is it a percentage or some other quantifiable amount of writing to ward off the duplicate label?
I have found a number of articles that I believe would be useful for my visitors but don't post them because of this very concern.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:17 pm
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use tools like
http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php
to check simularity of webpages
For msn, yahoo just under 60-50% seems fine. For google it is expected to be much lower.
There are never garantuees.
As indicated above the free articles are intended to be a nice extra resource. It should never be your primary source.
BTW duplicate content filer will avoid your page of ranking high. It will not ban your site. So, if it is intended for your readers, just post it, only dont expect the page to bring in free traffic.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:06 am
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| bas wrote: | So, if it is intended for your readers, just post it, only dont expect the page to bring in free traffic.
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That right. Lets not forget that free traffic is only a small piece of the whole pie.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:48 am
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If you all are so concern about content, why not use dynamic feeds? You can have the feeds alternate daily, weekly or monthly. My site isn't done yet but check out my site and give me some of your opinions. I have over 20,000 pages with dynamic feeds alternating weekly.
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tpxdesign
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:39 am
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| vangkao wrote: | | If you all are so concern about content, why not use dynamic feeds? You can have the feeds alternate daily, weekly or monthly. My site isn't done yet but check out my site and give me some of your opinions. I have over 20,000 pages with dynamic feeds alternating weekly. |
wow, 20k pages? How long did it take you to achieve such a high number of pages for your site? With that many pages, is most of your content from feeds or "article banks"?
Your site has zero PR and no Alexa ranking. With 20k pages it can't be that new unless you compiled a massive amount of content first, before going live. Is it possible you have been penalized because of having tons of duplicate content?
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:50 pm
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vangkao
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:13 pm
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From the sound of it, you are a bit behind the power curve on syndication. Just for your information, google is not going to give you PR status until 6-10 weeks after you have publish your site.
What's so important about PR anyway? It's kind of retarded for people to get caught up in PR status and forget about traffic ranking and website placement. If you think this PR that google implemented is so important, why is google number 3 on the search engine ranking? Heck, MSN is second.
Anyway, let me help you if you need a jump start on syndication. Visit [URL deleted - Moderator] and click on "syndication helper" on the footer. I've been busy promoting this site and haven't got to [URL deleted - Moderator] yet.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:56 pm
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Oops, I guess the moderator don't want you to get help. Hope this will show up. [URL deleted - Moderator]
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