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| Quote: | How about topic profitability research? Do you guys feel checking ad prices on Overture is adequate for a first project?
If yes, what kind of prices tell you the topic is a business opportunity, not just a hobby? |
I tried it for last 10 months.. I still get this kind of thing wrong... I tried KEI n read KEn evoy's stuff from front to back... somehow this part doesn't make sense.. so What do I do...??
well I reap results from other people's efforts..
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I'm not attempting to eliminate the learning curve, but manage it. |
I too want to do this... You manage curve such that you don't get buried under it.. there r way too many things to consider whn you get into AFF marketing
like niche finding, keywords research, Web design, writing content, getting links back, etc etc...
If Now I suggest anyone i only say Do not try to do everything on your own... Read AFF masters and thing what things you can do easily and find someone else to do rest of things..
like for me I don't Find niche/keywords myself.. I just started to take some service on it... n started seeing results on it..
Alan's simple formula : | Quote: |
1. Do keyword research.
2. Write useful, interesting text, preferably describing how a product helps you, or helps someone.
3. Get links to your site, preferably from popular, related sites |
and these are my Main steps:
1. Niche Research(keyword) - I use diff services
2. Website Creation - Now I use almost the same pattern so No new design for me everytime
3. Content - This can get tough, if it's my hobby then I'll write all my content.. it's easy to write 1 article a day.
4. Back Links: Again I suck at this... so I use Site sells Link exchange program.
see it makes lots of things easy for me..
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| Phil Tanny wrote: | I agree with above posters that there is an inevitable learning curve here if someone wants to do this seriously.
I'm not attempting to eliminate the learning curve, but manage it.
What's happening in too many cases now is that the entire learning curve gets dumped on folks right at the start, and they drown in all the info and options.
What's the minimum amount of info needed to get someone of reasonable talent and motivation to at least modest success?
What's essential?
Once that modest level of success is acheived, we have a very different person on our hands, and THEN we can sell them 74 ebooks and 37 techno gizmos without sinking their ship.
Thanks again for the discussion. |
I do hope that I have not come off as trying to be critical in any way-far from it-I thank you all for this discussion and the insight. I sometimes come on a little strong in print and unless you know me, it's hard to show that the reason is because I feel so strongly about some topics-to that end, if I was in any way offensive, please forgive me because I TRULY appreciate all of the effort each of you are giving to this discussion.
That said, I don't have much material to add-but I will continue to watch this post with interest because I too would like to know the answer to that question. I am that newbie you describe-drowning in a sea of options and striking out in so many different directions that I don't know up from down. I just keep trying everything and some things work and others don't-It's frustrating because I know there is that "sweet spot" out there-that there are people making in excess of $30,000.00/month at this business and not all of them have been at it since 1995. Knowing that is the possibility and also knowing that the learning curve is what is keeping me from starting down that road is frustrating. It's things like this discussion and the information provided here that do give me some hope that I will begin to figure this whole AM thing out. |
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Funny that an 80/20 thread is now getting bulky. Irony or human nature?
The only problem I see is that the (very good simple steps) lack defense.
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:46 am
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| Jscott wrote: | | Funny that an 80/20 thread is now getting bulky. Irony or human nature? |
Making things simple is complicated.  That's why so many things that could be simple aren't. It takes a lot of thought to make them so.
When you think about it, this process of separating the essential and important from all the clutter that surrounds it could apply to all kinds of things.
Our whole culture is dashing about in a dizzying frantic whirl because we can create new choices faster than we can sort out what matters from what doesn't.
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| edburdo wrote: | | The whole "stop using the computer" might be a good approach for many people. |
It is for me. Following our earlier discussion here I took a week off the computer. Got quite a bit done.
I came up with two new site ideas.
One will be my first ebook. I got the overall concept together and outlined a number of articles.
The 2nd is a new perl program, and I managed to code the whole thing on paper.
One week off the Mac, and two new sites well underway. Satisfying.
In both cases, text content and programming, I find that the real work is in the thinking you have to put in to the project, and you don't really need the computer to do the thinking.
In fact, I get a lot more real thinking work done without the computer because there is nothing else to do. It's me, a desk, a pen, and a foot high pile of notepads. Without a computer it becomes very clear whether I'm working or goofing off, so I really focus on work.
I still need the computer to finish the projects.
Although I can do 90% of the thinking required for programming a project on paper, I can't test code on paper obviously.
I can use paper to come up with article ideas, develop the section titles, and then organize the specific points each section should make. That's the heart of the work.
So, what I'm going to say can develop on paper, but how I'm going to say it has to happen on the computer because write/edit/write/edit etc on paper is just way too tedious. I have no idea how we used to all do that as a routine matter.
Hopefully this isn't relevant for you, but I've overused my Macs for 10 years, and my body is not pleased. So unplugging from the Net works well on that level as well.
If you have any computer related pains, try unplugging the thing for awhile and getting some real work done off line.
From now on I'll be writing out my posts long hand on paper and snail mailing them to Wally to type in for me. You should receive the first big (BIG!) box some time next week Wally!
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| Quote: | | From now on I'll be writing out my posts long hand on paper and snail mailing them to Wally to type in for me. |
Woohoo! Sounds like a new niche... I wonder what Wally will charge! 
I have been doing some of my work on my wife's laptop. It doesn't has as many diversions as mine does, so I get more done. Or I use my old (and I mean old) laptop. Not internet or network connection, so all I get is Notepad and Paint. I transfer my data via a Pen Drive. Works well.
Glad to see you made some progress Phil. I was wondering if I'd scared ya off...
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I think another key thing to people who are starting out is:
Don't over think things or get into the plan plan plan syndrom and never actually DO anything!
At the very least, one should set daily goals and write some content.
The reason I am saying this is, I find it very easy to spend hours and hours reading about other peoples success, and forum posts all day long all the while not having done anything to get me closer to making my million *smile* |
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:21 pm
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| edburdo wrote: | | Woohoo! Sounds like a new niche... I wonder what Wally will charge! |
I'm guessing Wally didn't go "Woohoo!" when he read about my new system, and that his fees will reflect that.
| edburdo wrote: | | I have been doing some of my work on my wife's laptop. It doesn't has as many diversions as mine does, so I get more done. Or I use my old (and I mean old) laptop. Not internet or network connection, so all I get is Notepad and Paint. I transfer my data via a Pen Drive. Works well. |
There you go, that sounds like a good plan. We'll port our "less is more"
system to the computer industry, and start demanding models with floppy drives and 512mb drives (drive size of my first Mac, and that was the power version!, I was so proud...).
| edburdo wrote: | | Glad to see you made some progress Phil. I was wondering if I'd scared ya off... |
Thanks Ed. Yes, I know, I'm so timid about posting, when you started replying to them, it freaked me out a bit. I'm better now.
I haven't lost interest in the "less is more" marketing plan idea, and hope to offer something specific for us to chew on together. The thing is though, I am NOT a marketing guy, so if you guys don't review my drafts and offer improvements, it could turn in to a big silly farce. I'll be counting on you to save me from that....
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| PressAnyKey wrote: | | Don't over think things or get into the plan plan plan syndrom and never actually DO anything! |
Well said, great point. Been there, done that one!
One solution to this is to have a hobby site you are passionate about. When I get to a crossroads and am not sure what to do next, I work on my nature site while I'm considering the options. That keeps me in the content creating groove, and keeps my enthusiasm and attitude on track.
Everybody's psychology is different, but personally I find I can get sucked in to a negative energy wave if I linger too long in "what's next?" mode. If I keep charging on something, anything, I'm more likely to get that next idea.
And who knows, if I'm confused enough, maybe someday my nature site will be huge, and that's where the money will come from. Stranger things have happened....
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| Phil Tanny wrote: | | Thanks Ed. Yes, I know, I'm so timid about posting, when you started replying to them, it freaked me out a bit. I'm better now. |
Phil, it's been a bit of a heavy day for me, so thank you for making me smile
Great discussion here. I did have to scroll back to the top of the first page of the thread in order to refresh my memory about "less is more" 
This is not an essential, but once you've done your three steps, move on to your next site. And then the next. and the next one after that. In this game, quantity is a huge factor. I know so many people who have had good sites torpedoed by the latest Google algo changes. Luckily, most of them had more than one site, and were also working on additional sites, so this setback was only that - a setback, not total devastation.
It's also good to have a different perspective on time. We've all been bombarded with the "get rich quick" theme in this field but it really doesn't work that way. On the other hand, you can look at it as time being on our side. I've had struggling sites mature with time and start coming into their own. Unless you're using a PPC strategy, it's a good thing to keep in mind that you'll see results, but you probably won't see them that quickly. That way you don't lose hope if after a bit of time you're not making the kind of money you were hoping to make.
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Hey there BJ.
| netadventures wrote: | | Phil, it's been a bit of a heavy day for me, so thank you for making me smile |
See my new site: comodian-for-you.com (just kidding)
| netadventures wrote: | | In this game, quantity is a huge factor. |
Hmm, yes, great point. We'd been missing that. I'd say that one reaches the level of being an essential. Quality articles AND quanity of articles.
| netadventures wrote: | | it's a good thing to keep in mind that you'll see results, but you probably won't see them that quickly. That way you don't lose hope if after a bit of time you're not making the kind of money you were hoping to make. |
Yes, another essential, for newcomers especially. Motivation management is almost the bottom line of making this work, eh? If one can keep the motivation alive, everything else works out one way or another eventually.
There should be a section on boards like this called the "psychological sandbox", a place to go for ongoing reassurance as your brand new site sits there not doing much.
Great points BJ, thanks. I can see a less is more manual must somehow address motivation issues if it's going to be used by newcomers.
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| Quote: | | comodian-for-you.com |
| Quote: | commode: Definition - a boxlike structure holding a chamber pot under an open seat;
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Thanx for the laugh Phil. That should help me through the day today.
I think BJ is right about the multiple sites. Too many folks starting out get centered on one site, and put all their effort into it. Then when it takes too long to produce, they get dissapointed and abandon it. The flip side to that is people who start too many projects and never reach the half-way mark with them. So it's a fine balance between the too.
But I think having two or even three sites when starting out can help eliminate the boredom factor. You can switch projects to keep your brain happy.
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| edburdo wrote: | | - a boxlike structure holding a chamber pot |
That's uncanny, my wife uses those exact words to describe me to her relatives! What a coincidence...
| edburdo wrote: | | I think BJ is right about the multiple sites. Too many folks starting out get centered on one site, and put all their effort into it. Then when it takes too long to produce, they get dissapointed and abandon it. The flip side to that is people who start too many projects and never reach the half-way mark with them. So it's a fine balance between the too. |
Yes, right on target, I wrestled with this one, like so many others. I solved this "one or many" conundrum by building all my sites within one site. As you may have seen, I'm creating a series of "For-You" themed sites that all (whoops, almost all) live within the http://tanny.com domain.
I hesitate to mention this, because I'm not sure how good of an idea it is,
and it's the kind of complication that really doesn't belong in a less is more thread. But that's what it took to allow me to follow my brain down a number of paths, while still getting the satisfied feeling you get from building one large site. It's working for me, I'm now cranking out "sites" at a satisfying pace.
Like we said above, motivation management. You do what you gotta do to keep on doing.
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I am a newbie and i must chime in here. First of all, it is nice to see all the comments from long-time and knowledgable users, some of you guys I have read you posts for close to a year. i have gained knowledge from just reading this thread.
I have something to say about simplicity. i have seen every get-rich-quick scheme on the planet, twice. i decided long ago this wasn't for me/ it doesen't work. if you look up insanity in webster's dictionary it is defined as doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting a different result. i think this is the pattern many new-comers to aff. marketing get into. i know we are supposed to work on our sites everyday, thats what every mentor i have read say's, and it's great advice. but i realized a week into building my first site (i'm still working on it, i will be for some time) that if i took off one night a week and purused my competition and who i plan to affiliate with, along with spending time here at the board and re-reading allan's guide and my SBI guide that it helped tremendously. it showed me how far off-track i had become during the week.
But, i am getting off track of this article now.
here is what I do this religiously for my review pages on my site.
1. gain experience with the actual product i am going to sell. i realize that some people are selling products they don't really care for or have never used due to cost, etc. etc... But if you go back and "keep it simple" and read allans guide, there it is "do something you have a passion for!" for petes sake! i can't wait to use my product, review it and always, research it more on the internet. it doesent hurt to write a review of your subject (lets say sweeping) and show that you know more about (sweeping) than your product does (lets say the vaccuum cleaner you are trying to sell). it makes you sound like an expert and slowly you will become one. isn't this pre-selling? isn't this what we are doing, selling people the goods we have information on.
2. keyword reasearch. i have an easy time with this in my field. i can choose from several things. whatever has the best results in wordtracker (page request wise, i don't worry about KEI) out of those possible keywords. then i go to the search engines, type in my words and see who comes up. how large is their site? is it useful? what is their page rank? once i have answered all these, usually 15-20 minutes for a single page, i am ready to start writing a conent-and-keyword rich article of the product.
3. actually writing the content, spell-checking, and publishing.
now, i know some of you will read this and go and look at my site and say "how pathetic!" I know, like i said i am just a newbie. see, i am humble. which brings me to my next point. so many people fail at this, in my newbie opinion, because of their own ego, good and bad. "i can't do it", "i will never succeed", "my site looks like crap!", "it's been six months and i still am not in the search engines, somebody kill me.". my view is this, if i never make a dime from my website, the point of views i have already learned in this short journey, the insight i have into people's ability to live on their OWN income. the motivation i have found in me to chase my PASSION. these are all priceless. this being said, i know some folks are doing this to put bread across the table and they have little other income, GOD BLESS YOU and i am not slamming you at all, you will succeed far faster and farther than myself, for me this is a hobby that i hope turns into a way to make money, eventually. i guess in summation of all this talk (i am sorry this post went on so long) is: don't expect overnight success, chase you passion if at all possible and KEEP IT SIMPLE.
some of you successful aff.'s are talking about how simple to get on this post, a sort of a guide for newbie's?
this says it all
1. keyword research
2. quality text content
3. links
------phil tanny, originator of this post.
I believe those are the bare essentials, but, again, what do I know? I am just a newbie, and tend to want to stay that way until such time as i can turn a profit. thanks for listneing.
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