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Andrea Thomson
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:49 pm
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Hi again all - and defrag 
| Quote: | | The reason I asked whether you designed the templates located at the pinecone site and the seo designs site is because these sites are not using CSS correctly (exactly like the dog website I mentioned earlier in this thread), |
I'm not sure if you are one of my Clients Defrag - but I can assure you that these templates DO come through with flying colours on w3.org for html and css 
I appreciate your comments on my own site (gpc) maybe not coming through clean - agree - I'm probably like the old saying "the Cobbler who has barefoot children" as my site needs work in the code.
But please know - my templates are always run through the w3.org validator and I would not post them as being compliant if they were not passing that test. 
Feel free to ping me privately or respond here - but I don't want to seem overly defensive - I do appreciate my Clients pointing out errors if and when they're identified. We're all human afterall 
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oops - forgot to add... my comment regarding templates sometimes needing clean-up. What I meant is that some templates are not "clean" and will require some tweaking in the html and/or css. As you appear to be an advanced user, you probably can identify the good from the bad. But not everybody can.
Some of the most successful ebook owners and affiliate webmasters do use FrontPage and still earn great money despite font tags and other deprecated tags. So, I think we agree that if you can find (or purchase) something "clean", that is the best practice. Until I hear of conclusive testing which shows frontpage users taking a nose dive in the SE's, I will continue to support this community. FrontPage 2003 is a much better application than previous versions.
Ultimately, I trust you agree that not everyone will be at the same level / skillset and many webmasters require a template which outlines the basics for them
Cheers!
Andrea
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:39 am
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Hello,
I'm new here and as such am going over the old posts when I came upon this thread.
While I can see the usefulness of a good template I am not sure what advantages CSS and SSI confer on a page. What is the advantage of clean code? I know that FrontPage adds a lot of tags and then doesn't remove them when I make a change in design mode but why is that so bad? Forgive my innocence.
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Andrea Thomson
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:52 am
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Hi Dennis & welcome aboard
The value of using Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) is that you can manage the updates of many/most of the design elements through one file. And Server Side Includes (SSI) minimize maintenance tasks.
SSI's allow you to capture repeating elements on a website (i.e. the menu, advertisements, etc.) and manage them through one file. This "single sourcing" approach allows you to make updates to one file, like the menu, and see the updates applied to all the pages on your site through that one single edit. When you have a large affiliate site - this is handy!
I don't know that FrontPage 2003 adds any "stuff" to your pages on it's own.
Hope that answers some of your questions -
Cheers!
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Debs
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:52 am
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The other reasons you would want clean code:
1. easier for all browsers to render the site if the format/structure validate; not all browsers will handle errors the same way
2. leaner code means pages load faster and that's important to visitors
3. clean, lean code gives the spiders what they want faster; reduces the risk they will stumble on your coding and back out of the site too.
Debs
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Dennis_JM
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:18 pm
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I have been using FrontPage themes to make global changes in my page style and shared borders for my link bars and a global java menu. There are CSS files in my themes but I have not dug in to see if I could better utilize the concept. I?m not sure SSI would be workable in my present framework. I do go in and tweak code when something is malfunctioning on a page and design view is unable to fix it. Mostly I stay pretty close to WYSIWYG.
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Andrea Thomson
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:44 pm
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| Quote: | | If it ain't broke, don't fix it |
not the most profound quote but... if you're doing well with your methods... stick with them
As you learn more, you can always layer new ideas to your business model. I'll be releasing some video training soon which demonstrates FrontPage include pages. With this glimpse to includes, you may see another method worth exploring.
Till then... sounds like you're doing just great!
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Dennis_JM
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:32 pm
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That was my thinking when I first encountered CSS: like I need another technology. Before FrontPage I used Word Perfects conversion utility but it usually crashed. Before that it was HTML, which always felt like building a ship in a bottle with your eyes closed. The only way to view the page was to FTP it to the server.
I have another quick question that may be off topic: I picked up from Ken Evoy that heading tags are a good thing for SEO. I usually use fonts in normal mode. However, when I switched my fonts for H3 tags it doubled the height on the table cell the text was incorporated into. I checked the code and could see no reason why this should be. Any ideas? The URL is my sig if you want to take a look.
Thanks,
Also, I just want to say that this is the best forum I have ever seen.
Dennis
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Andrea Thomson
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:57 pm
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Hi Dennis -
| Quote: | | when I switched my fonts for H3 tags it doubled the height on the table cell the text was incorporated into. I checked the code and could see no reason why this should be. Any ideas? |
You do have a CSS on this site - which I also think is using a FrontPage theme? Also, it looks like you are copying/pasting your text from Microsoft word?
Dennis - your website doesn't appear to have any instructions on how to display header tags (<h1> <h2> <h3>, etc.) and therefore, it will simply take a default display.
The beauty of CSS is that you can define exactly how you want these to display. You add these "display" instructions to the CSS file and every page on your website which has that CSS link in it, will receive the "display" instructions.
This site is a good free training site on CSS and it provides you with exercises to try: http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
Oh - on the note of using MS Word... try to use a plain text editor like notepad, wordpad, editpad pro. MS Word will copy in styles to your web page and makes the html clunky.
Best wishes Dennis -
Cheers,
Andrea
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:18 am
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The reason why I buy Andrea's templates are:
They look great!
The custom logo header looks cool!
CSS is great for the menu, footer, AND adsense.
Better yet.
I'm done.......all I do now is copy and paste
my content, get link partners, and count my money.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:38 pm
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Thanks Jeremy!
It's a good lesson for me to revisit my own site(s) and pay more attention to how they are percieved. I just wanted to emphasize that if the templates are tagged as being w3.org compliant... they ARE compliant.
Thanks for the support
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Hi Denis...
Just thought I would throw in here for a second...If you would like to discuss FrontPage and how to best utilize it, please fell free to email or PM me. I have been designing for FrontPage users since FP97 and there have been some great leaps from the old "themes". I think your real-estate site could really benefit from several of the new development techniques available today.
Lynne
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