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mikedom
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:56 am
Post subject: dont believe what everyone says
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many people think that james martell made so much money on his websites , his sites were ridicously packed with adsense ads and were no good use to readers , i dont think he made as much as he claimed to make with affiliate programs
use common sense , if youre really making money with affiliate programs would you have adsense adds on every single page of youre web site at 3 to 10 cents a click ? give me a break .
He made all his money with his ebook and used his sites to mislead everyone and im sort of glad he got banned, i was starting to get really fed up of seeing 1000s of sites that look the same .
The real super affiliates who are making real millions wont give you their secrets , you will have to get there by trial and error and perserverance
Stop looking for quick answers and work !
ive actually got more solid info on reading this forum and other forums than any book ive bought , every ebook that ive bought were one big sale pitch , and in the end they lead you to buy more crap .
they hype you up to buy the book and once you have bought the book they presell you other stuff .
Its only 2 years im in the affiliate business and im by far a pro , it doesnt take a pro to sniff a scam .
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:12 pm
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Hello "Anonymous".
Here is a quote from Allan that he posted WAY back. The thread is here:
http://www.associateprograms.com/discus/sutra33160.html&highlight=365+274#33160
And here is an excerpt:
| AllanGardyne wrote: | Let's see... $100,000 divided by 365 = $274 a day. So your goal is to produce either:
274 pages which earn $1 a day
OR
548 pages which earn 50 cents a day
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1096 pages which earn 25 cents a day
The following are hypothetical cases. To earn $1 a day per page, you need, per page...
400 visitors, 5% click-through rate and average 5c payout.
Or 200 visitors, 10% CTR and an average 5c payout.
Or 100 visitors, 10% CTR, and an average 10c payout.
Or 100 visitors, 5% CTR, and an average 20c payout.
Or 50 visitors, 10% CTR and 20c average payout.
Or 25 visitors, 20% CTR and 20c average payout.
Or 20 visitors, 10% CTR and 50c average payout.
Or 10 visitors, 20% CTR and 50c average payout.
Or 5 visitors, 20% CTR and $1 average payout. |
I am willing to bet, that even at a measly $0.5 per click, James is doing very well.
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John Lenaghan
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:11 pm
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| mikedom wrote: | | they hype you up to buy the book and once you have bought the book they presell you other stuff . |
I'm curious why this seems to offend so many people. Why should someone not try to upsell to their customers and earn more income? When you buy a car, are you offended if the dealer tries to sell you some accessories or their service offerings? When you buy a computer are you offended if the salesperson (website / order line / etc) tries to sell you extra RAM or a new printer?
Granted, if an ebook is full of useless information and is no more than an ad for more products, I can see how it would you would be upset. But if an ebook actually has useful information in it, why should it bother you?
It's been a while since I actually read James Martell's manual but I don't recall there being a lot of other products being promoted in it. To my recollection, it actually has less of this than most ebooks I've read.
This isn't particularly directed at mikedom's post, it's just something I'm curious about. It seems to be a common complaint, particularly in the "computer enthusiast" world that I tend to frequent. On many of the websites I frequent that are computer related, people get quite upset if the webmaster posts something with an affiliate link in it. |
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mikedom
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:03 pm
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when youre buying a car , you are paying for the car and whatever they try to sell you aside its youre choice ,
but when you are buying an ebook you are buying information and you expect very good info that will benefit you , im not talking about james martell in particular , but many people who sell ebooks capitilize and seize that oppurtunity to sell you more stuff and in my book its called manipulating and taking advantage of people that are naive .
for example the last ebook i bought without mentioning names tried to sell me a web hosting plan which had nothing to do with the ebooks subject , the ebook actually was a waiste of money all it gave me was links to what the author reccommended in other words i got ripped off .
like i said in my last post ive learned more from allen and everybody else on this forum than any book ive read ....my opinion .. |
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johncpu
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:28 pm
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mikedom,
| Quote: | | i dont think he made as much as he claimed to make with affiliate programs |
I'm pretty confident that his first satellite site and a few others made him decent money. But I suspect that many of the later 1st-in sites didnt. Still his business model is to create a hundred sites, each one making a little. And if you get some SE traffic, Adsense plus an occasional affiliate sale can do that.
All that being said, I really dont think it's fair to claim he misled anyone - at least not intentionally. I've never heard him claim to make $x from a site, only that he continually gets commissions from CJ. Apart from his stated goal of $500/month, he chooses not to say what a typical site brings in. Thats his perogative. Critique his style and book all you want, but let's not impugn his motives without something more definitive.
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NickR
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:54 pm
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I started out with James Martells book, I am glad to say. I actually find his lack of hype quiet refreshing. His stated goal of $500/site is very achievable. If you carefully look at the website that the ebook is sold from, you will see that James does give potential customers some idea of purchases neccessary. Outlay such as MS Frontpage,domain name registration and web hosting are unavoidable. In the book James does recommend some other resources, but he also suggests buying later so as to avoid information overload.
I was impressed with the free update to the ebook,particularly as it was two years since I had bought the book.
Some of the other internet marketeers have not been so generous. James also provides a website for any updates.
Some issues of the Buzz have been a little short on usable comment, but overall I have learnt a lot from them. Unlike other marketeers James does not use his list to sell every new 'unmissable ebook'.
Some of the accusations levelled at James have been disgraceful. He is not a scamster. I have used his methods and enjoyed no small measure of success. As James himself suggests in his ebook, there is no end to the learning. I have added to JM model by using Adwords and Overture. Earnings have risen to greater heights than that claimed by James. I would rather have about 20 websites and invest in promotion rather than rely on free search engine traffic. Playing the game of keeping with algorithmn changes does not appeal.
Incidentally my earnings from affiliate check exceed Adsense earnings. |
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mikedom
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:36 pm
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i cant believe how people are willing to go the extra mile to protect james martell , be opened minded there are millions of ways to make money with affiliate marketing and james martell is not the only way , facts are that his sites do not work well with search engines they are all banned from google and still people are following his methods
helloooo! smell the coffee !
i have 12 sites and one of my first site was a martell site because obviously i read his book , i had 1000s of viewers a month and was making very very low income with his method until i restructured my whole site .
his book shows you basically how to trick the search engines to rank # 1 , but whats the use of ranking #1 if you dont know how to presell ,
if you dont know how to presell youre landing page is worth 0$ , his ebook lacks the most important element of affiliate marketing " how to presell " .........but then again its only my opinion ...
Mr. james martell just got banned from the biggest search engine online , and people actually are still buying his books and following his methods , it just baffles me . @/^" |
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John Lenaghan
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:06 pm
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| mikedom wrote: | | i cant believe how people are willing to go the extra mile to protect james martell , be opened minded there are millions of ways to make money with affiliate marketing and james martell is not the only way , facts are that his sites do not work well with search engines they are all banned from google and still people are following his methods |
I don't think the responses to your post were necessarily out to protect James Martell so much as to refute your claims that he is some kind of scammer.
If you've found better ways to create an income from your sites, great. There are lots of ways to do that and the Martell method is but one. If you want to claim he misled people or is trying to scam people, I would hope you can back that up. If so, I'm sure we would all be more than happy to find out just how he is pulling a fast one.
If you're simply trolling the forum with an inflammatory post that you can't actually back up with facts, you're probably doing it in the wrong place. If you have read through any of the other posts on this forum, you would likely know that there are a lot of Martell supporters here who would take exception to your post.
I think you're right though, that you need to keep an open mind in this business. There are lots of opportunities to improve on existing systems or to create your own. I don't think anybody should blindly follow anyone's system without exploring alternatives. |
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mikedom
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:43 pm
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when james martell got banned from google , i received no email or any explanation from his newsletters , his ebook should be banned until prooven that you can succeed with his method ,
there is no actual evidence that his method works besides those fake testimonials he uses , so far the only person that i know that succeeded really with his method is him self .
between you and I, if i got my 90 and plus sites banned from google i dont think i would be still selling my ebook on how to succeed in search engines , as a matter of fact i would puLL it off the market and swallow my pride .
but i dont see him doing that . Why ? because of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
how would you feel if you were to buy his book and 1 week later found out from a thread in a forum that his sites are banned from google ?
His ebook does not state anywhere on the front cover that his sites are banned and droped from google . Isnt that misleading ?
please correct me if im wrong .
and by the way there are still cases of people who build web sites following his methods being dropped from google .
every site we make requires a great amount of effort and energy , is it really worth taking a risk with his method ?
i dont want to discourage anybody who believes in his method , i have nothing against james martell himself but i do feel his approach to affiliate marketing is sending the wrong message to people who are starting off , its not all about ranking 1st .
If you provide good solid useful info , people will find you , regardless what you rank .
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NickR
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:12 pm
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I can assure you that I am open minded. Nowhere in the ebook does James Martell profess that his is the only way or the final word on affiliate marketing. As stated I have followed his methods and done well. Along the way I have studied copywriting,PPC as well as the basic JM method. I know that one method does not contain all the answers.
By the way not all his sites have been banned. |
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johncpu
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:22 pm
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mikedom,
I've been one of his more vocal critics here(you can look up earlier posts). Plenty of people here still get commission checks from him, and some people dont like their Pied Piper criticized. So I've taken plenty of heat for critical remarks. But I hope that gives me some credibility when I now say I think you are judging him unfairly.
It's too bad that he chose not to be forthright about the ban. He owed that to his customers. But I see no reason to attack his motives. There is nothing that he has done or said which makes him a scamster. You'll find dozens of people on this forum that will tell you they are more successful because of what they learned from him.
You say his "methods" dont work. But his "method" is primarily a step by step way to set up an affiliate site. Most of the info about search engine optimization in his book is common knowledge- the basics are still the basics.
I agree that he lost credibility by not addressing the Google penalties - a major PR mistake in my view. And yes, his book is absurdly priced, his old site content shallow, etc. But that's very different than calling him a huckster. I think he got swept up in the big money, got bitten, and now is too gun-shy to address it. That's his perogative. But misleading ? No.
If you are concerned about the ethics of the situation, that question should really be directed at those who continue to sell his book. His old sites still do pretty well on other SEs. The new ones are doing ok on Google too. So as long as he fixed whatever his old problem was, there is no reason why he cant go forward.
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mikedom
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:44 pm
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well i guess i was a little too harsh , you both have good points , but i do think james martell is way overated .
Sometimes you have to make decisions based on youre own judgements and every body has their own way .
im a full time player , and still i have a lot to learn , who am i to say that james martells way is wrong ... it hasnt worked for me but i guess some people are getting there moneys worth .
this discussion made me feel much better because the guy who wants to buy a james martell book and reads these posts at least has both sides of the coin , and then can make a decision for him self , unlike other posts that are one sided and only praise him .
thanks guys dont let go...... |
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AllanGardyne
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:31 pm
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| mikedom wrote: | | many people think that james martell made so much money on his websites , his sites were ridicously packed with adsense ads and were no good use to readers , i dont think he made as much as he claimed to make with affiliate programs |
Just a little clarification...
AdSense didn't exist when James wrote the first version of his book. Months after AdSense was launched, I recall asking James why he wasn't using AdSense.
As you say, there are lots of different ways of making money with affiliate programs.
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artguy51
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:36 pm
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| bull on some one. I have been talking with someone lately who seems to be making very good living based on JM work. I have been considering getting the book but there seems to be so much to look at and getting the wrong start can cost one alot both in reputation and in dollars. |
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BobsStuff
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:09 pm
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I bought his program KNOWING he had been banned. I am glad I did. I have pulled a lot of good information from his manual. I will make back my $167 or whatever I paid if I haven't already.
I am also a critic of Martell's on this forum , but I also believe in a lot of what he says.
I am a firm believer in "education" and having more than one author to study enhances your abilitly to understand your options.
In order I would recommend
SBI for a total newbie you has no clue how to build a website -- I have porblems with it as someone who knows a little about HTML, CSS and SEO
James Martell for a little more experienced person
Corey Rudl, for someone who wants to take the time to study a lot of material relating to more than just building a website.
John Reese? I have his material, but haven't started it yet.
Then read a few incidental e-books on different topics. Read as many forums as you have time for.
Am I getting rich yet on anyone's techniques? NO! I am making about $200 a month with 4 websites, two of which were created in the 1990's and never really monetized until recently.
I will use a number of Martell's techniques and I believe they are sound and proven from what I read from the members of this forum.
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