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marjan
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:17 pm
Post subject: SEO WSB or XSite Pro
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Hi,
Can anyone tell me which website builder, SEO WSB or XSite Pro, would work better with James Martell's methods?
Best Regards.
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NickR
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:13 pm
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| I can only comment on SEO WSB, which is really easy to use. The author is always adding to it. Excellent support is added via a very busy forum and email. The manual that comes with the software is excellent. Hope this helps! |
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Andrea Thomson
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:23 pm
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Hi Marjan -
I haven't worked with XSite Pro but have worked with Dr. Andy's SEOWSB.
I'm a designer but my background also includes working in a high tech firm, on a large CMS project. My role was to identify usability issues for the software developers as well as to create training for the final product.
I can vouch for Andy's product being a solid tool with excellent support. His attention to customer services is excellent and the User Community for SEOWSB are also an awesome group always ready to help and extend support on his SEOWSB forum.
On another note... many SBI'ers also follow James' methods in conjunction with Mr. Evoy's tools & teachings.
I believe you can create your recipe for success using a combination of good training and good tools. Go where the best recommendations are 
Trust this helps -
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johncpu
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 5:53 pm
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Marjan,
I 2nd the recommendation for SEO WSB. In fact, I'd even say that with WSB, you dont need either SBI or Martell. It's far less expensive that than either one.
It doesnt have all the SBI tools, but you can get the those separately for much less (excellent hosting for $40/yr and Wordtracker is far more accurate). It doesnt lock you in like SBI, so you can build as many sites as you want without paying more. What Martell teaches is simple SEO, but following the modules in WSB does that for you (and for way less than Martell's $165).
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Andrea Thomson
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 5:13 pm
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John -
I agree that Andy provides incredible value.
Did you know I just launched a new website completely dedicated to his templates? It's called SEO WSB Templates and I've created a whole new series of tableLESS templates for it.
Cheers
Andrea
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johncpu
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 6:19 pm
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Andrea,
Thanks for the info ! Sorry, but Im sold on the templates at OSWD.org. Beautiful stuff, simple and clean, and you cant beat free !  |
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modestmouser
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 6:38 pm
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OSWD - beautiful, really??
I recently bought one of your templates, Andrea, and I likes it - it too is simple and clean, yet ALSO attractive and professional, and I love that your templates are mainly CSS.
I'm going to be working on these sites a lot, so for me it's worth a little extra to look at an appealing site instead of some plain-jane run-of-the-mill layout.
I mean, really, those are decent prices considering that a lot of designers whose designs are not *too* much more appealing than these often charge a lot more.
But I guess this is just one beholder's opinion...
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johncpu
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 7:14 pm
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LOL.. ok,mouser, you go buy all the templates you want . Yes, there is some really good stuff at OSWD. And Im sure Andre'a stuff is top-notch too - no criticism there at all. Andrea's post was directly to me, so I responded.
But do what appeals to you. My personal view is that if Im going to use a template that will also be used by dozens of other people, I dont want to pay for it when I can get something attractive and free. When I want something special, I'll pay a designer a few hundred $ to design something custom for me. I just choose to avoid that middle ground.
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modestmouser
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Haha, sorry for getting in the middle there - I'm just pretty happy with it and wanted to throw that out there.
But I hear you on having the same design as others, that is lame, and I'd never do that on a site that wasn't an affiliate one.
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Andrea Thomson
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:22 am
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Hi John & Mouser
| Quote: | | ...I dont want to pay for it when I can get something attractive and free. |
Free works for me too ! So long as I know I'm getting a quality product.
I created the graphic & template combos so that Affiliates would have a good solid foundation to launch their sites. Once a site is earning... upgrade it to a custom design if it makes economic sense.
Until then, these templates are CLEAN code, W3.org compliant, and come with graphics ready to go. A turnkey solution. And with Dr. Andy's tool - switching out the design is only a few keystrokes, hit "publish" and you're done.
Anyhow... still Mother's Day and I snuck away to catch-up on email and the forums (I love my work). 
Have a good one !!
Andrea
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johncpu
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 11:07 pm
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| Quote: | | Free works for me too ! So long as I know I'm getting a quality product. |
Agreed. Thats why I go to OSWD more than other places. The W3.org compliance, clean code, etc. But in my experience, most 'clean code' issues come from the html editor, not the template itself. Doesnt matter how clean the template is, if you're using Front Page or other editors with proprietary code, you get.. well.. unclean code
The thing I like about open source sites like OSWD is simply the flexibility and choice. It's not uncommon for me to start with a template that looks good at first. But once Im putting content in it, either I change my mind, or I want a different look, or maybe I want one with CSS, or whatever. Regardless of the reason, I can just pull down another one to get the look I want, or even experiement. And since I prefer simple, minimal grapics templates, the change is easy. It's a little like redecorating my house - I dont want to have to buy all new furniture every time I want a change.
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Andrea Thomson
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:53 am
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I agree with your approach John -
I think it's fair to say that not all Affiliates share your ability or skillset in the area of building "out-of-the box" this way. And that's where I believe my templates create value.
While I do sell FrontPage templates, they are all constructed first in Dreamweaver(and some by hand... although DW makes it so easy). Then, I cut the html over to FrontPage and use some of the "include" features. The reason for this is that many of James Martell's students use this software and it is an easy to learn program for Newbies. Even though they contain proprietary FP2003 features, they are still w3.org compliant for html and CSS. So I don't compromise on "clean" in order to get the newbie features included.
Again - your approach is solid. I'm just trying to provide a plug n' play solution for those who maybe cannot build a clean html template on their own or even with a OSWD solution.
Thanks John!
Cheers -
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:15 pm
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I think you guys are "spot on"... I am launching a new website for my wife. She already has two affiliate based websites, and now she is doing a drop ship site.
For starters, we are using the canned template that comes with the store package. After she gets the site running, and earns a few bucks, we are going to buy a layout and logo set. This will go out to the subscribers as a "site enhancement" notice.
If things fail and the site doesn't produce, then we won't buy a layout. But the upfront costs to get going are minimal. I can add the new stuff (that costs money) later as I produce income.
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johncpu
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:13 pm
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eric,
| Quote: | | we are using the canned template that comes with the store package. |
I assume that you are referring to a more traditional e-commerce style site ? If so, you have more courage about that than I would. I've been thinking about doing one of those, but Im not sure I could find a good template. With SBI/Martell style sites, all you really do is find a tempalte you like and add text/links. Much more to consider with what you're doing. Good luck with it !!
| Quote: | | not all Affiliates share your ability or skillset in the area of building "out-of-the box" this way |
On the contrary, Andrea, I really have no design skill at all. Im still quite new at all this. But this 'lack' serves me well for content sites. I dont want anything to distract from my words. The SBI templates so many people use are so 'god-awful'.. lol... but it doesnt seem to matter much. I try to use a nicer 'frame template', and sometimes not even bother with a big header graphic. So the ability to change templates really takes little more than copy and paste. when I want a change.
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edburdo
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:54 pm
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| johncpu wrote: | | I assume that you are referring to a more traditional e-commerce style site ? If so, you have more courage about that than I would. I've been thinking about doing one of those, but Im not sure I could find a good template. With SBI/Martell style sites, all you really do is find a tempalte you like and add text/links. Much more to consider with what you're doing. Good luck with it !! |
Yes. The package I am using (osCommerce.com) has a default look. That will be the template for the first week or two that the site is up. By then, I should have the logo and template back from the developer. He is actually building a template specifically for osCommerce, so he can resell the core template (w/out my changes and colors) to other folks who want it.
As to the style of site? Yes. It is a drop ship site. Meaning you buy a physical good from me, I charge your CC and then have that product drop-shipped to you. My wife has two affiliate sites (they aren't real big, nor do they produce much) and wants to get into real sales. Ultimately, she wants a Brick & Mortar store, so this will give her some experience in the sales arena.
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