One of our sites was hacked

Associate Programs Newsletter #464

This week one of our sites was hacked.

However, the hacker was smart enough to only change one tiny, yet devastating thing. Our most profitable affiliate link.

This link has made over 100k in commissions in the last year. The hacker must have had an idea about this as it was the only link changed. They ran the link through a proxy cloak and onward to the merchant and has so far been undetectable.

This guy probably thinks he’s pretty smart. Really he’s just a common thief. No better than someone who breaks into your house and steals your TV.

Unfortunately, there is a strange psychological disconnect that happens online that makes people think they can do stuff like this and it will have few consequences.

This is why we see so many bottom feeders in the Internet marketing world. This is a very serious issue that not only impacts people individually, but it has created major problems for the industry as a whole.

Now here is a more difficult thing to consider. We may not be hacking sites and stealing affiliate commissions. However, many of us are doing things online that probably doesn’t match our OFFLINE moral and ethical positions.

For most of us, it doesn’t start out that way. One telling characteristic of a newbie selling online is that their sales message lacks persuasion.

Over time, we gather lots of techniques to learn how to be more persuasive and get better conversion rates. We find that including elements like testimonials, proof, hitting on people’s emotional triggers and dressed up NLP helps increase the conversion rates. Then we discover that through $4.95 trials and continuity we can get more money per customer over time.

Now, I’m not saying that the principles are inherently wrong. We just need to be careful we don’t lose our moral compass in the process.

Unfortunately as time goes by, we become more focused on the numbers and less on the people behind the numbers. We forget that these are real people with real (sometimes huge) problems that are many times looking for solutions.

I’ve had a number of people who purchased a course (that in turn recommended our software) and shared with me that if the stuff in the course didn’t work, they were basically screwed.

They had literally spent the last of their money to get their life back on track after having major setbacks earlier.

It made me really sad, as I knew deep down (which is why I refunded them) that it probably wasn’t going to work out well.

Focusing too much on the numbers takes away the people who are behind the numbers.

I once read that a motor company puts the value of a human life at $200k. So whether or not they should do a recall becomes a calculation, and the value of a human life a denominator.

Unfortunately, within parts of the affiliate industry, people push this even further. Affiliates are only working with a slither of profit so they have to be even sharper, especially when buying traffic.

If you can increase your conversion rates, you can take something from being unprofitable and make it insanely profitable. There is a tipping point where you can just buy more and more traffic as a result.

However, this might mean you need to push things. It might start out that you get a few friends to make up some testimonials for you. The next thing you know you’re running a 2-step teeth whitening (fake) blog with a completely fabricated story and doctored photos pushing people into a double dosage of forced continuity.

Six weeks later customers find they’ve paid $600 for some teeth whitening toothpaste and a mouth guard that doesn’t do jack.

I reckon that most affiliates who are running things this way would admit that it’s not right. In psychology there is a term called “Cognitive Dissonance”. It’s when you have two competing motivations in your mind and you have to resolve them somehow. In this case it’s morals vs. cash.

As a way of resolving their cognitive dissonance, they justify it by saying if they were naive enough to believe it, they deserve to pay through the nose.

To make matters worse, their peers are supportive of their behavior, in the same way that drug users support one another.

In some cases, I’ve been speaking with affiliate managers from big CPA networks about how after the FTC crackdown the flogs have just moved to international traffic (like in Australia where I live).

They asked me why I wasn’t doing the same. I was shocked. Even the people that pay are pushing the same fractured ethics.

Thankfully the noose is tightening with greater regulation from government groups and credit card companies pushing for higher ethical positions.

Nonetheless, I believe it’s important to figure out what your moral and ethical position is. Ask yourself the hard questions like:

 - Am I OK not telling the whole truth (testimonials or proof)?
 - Am I OK to recommend products that aren’t very good?
 - Am I OK to sell products that aren’t very good?

How about harder questions like:

 - Am I OK to sell to people who don’t need it?
 - Am I OK to sell to people who can’t afford it?
 - Will I make the sale at any cost?

Thankfully, with social media helping ethical and positively contributing companies to the top, the tables are starting to turn.

I firmly believe that it's far more difficult to build a long lasting and sustainable business if you're constantly jumping from loophole to loophole and not providing real value, honesty and integrity.

In my mind that even goes for the "IM Guru" approach where you go from product launch to product launch.

Now I’m not saying that most guru products are scams at all.

However, something doesn’t sit quite right with their snatch and grab approach. That means only selling limited copies and once the product is launched they are immediately looking for the next product to launch (while leaving the last one in the dust).

Sure, it’s a good cashflow hit, but they’ve got to keep reinventing over and again. Plus, there is very little option for selling the business later where you can get many years worth of revenue in one hit.

The kind of people that I respect the most are the ones building a solid evergreen business in a subject area they are passionate about.

Sure, good cash flow is nice, but that is bread and butter stuff. What I REALLY want to do is build businesses I'm proud of and leave some sort of positive legacy.

How about you?

I'd love to hear your comments below.


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Thought for today: Integrity is the essence..
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“Integrity is the essence of everything successful.”
- Richard Buckminster Fuller

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Jay Stockwell

May 20, 2010

Comments (74)

foodie
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 10:29 am
Excellent post and so true, I completely agree with everything you have said. I had my wake up call having purchased 3 courses on autoblogging and then realised that I didn't have the stomach to put out such crap in the hope that someone would click on adsense and make me a few cents. I don't want to be a bottom feeder, I'd rather take the slow lane and build proper sites that people actually want to read and that will hopefully help them. I realised I was on a slippery slope and stopped, got a refund from those auto sites and got on with doing what I was doing before, albeit slowly but at least I can sleep at night and I look forward to my "work".
Amy
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 10:31 am
That's how I've always felt Jay. You hit it on the head. That's why I don't promote products that I don't believe in, ever! I just can't look at myself in the mirror if I do.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 10:32 am
Gigantic applause for saying so. I couldn't have said it better Jay. It's difficult to always remember there are real folks at the other end of the keyboard. I could probably drop my morals any given day and make a cool fortune if I truly wanted to but then I'd also have to live with my actions. I wouldn't be able to sleep.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 11:03 am
I've been trying to do internet marketing for nearly a year now, but something just kept me from finishing the process when it comes to writing a sales letter or a presell page. I kept thinking if what i'm doing is the right thing. Promoting and parading a product that i've yet to be convinced of in terms of its effectiveness for solving a related issue. After a long contemplation, i finally decided that if i wanted to sell something, i would want it be a genuinely good product and give tremendous benefit to my customers. I just made a personal site and it's still empty but i hope i can model it soon to reflect my intention. I've yet to make any money online and i don't know when i will do, but deep inside i still believe that honesty is the best policy.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 11:04 am
This is a great post, thank you Jay for bringing this to the forefront. I've only barely gotten my feet wet in the business of making money online, so this is not only great advice for how I would like to structure my company but also for how a business should be run...ethically.
Jake
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 11:13 am
Thanks for the ethics check-in, Jay. For me it's a reminder of some of the reasons why I've kept things squeaky clean in my own business since the early days. I don't make a lot, but I sleep well at night, and most of my small business decisions are made with the long-term in mind. I agree with you: in looking long-term and seeking a solid business foundation, an ethical outlook and mindset fits in, and ties in, quite well.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 11:20 am
Jay ,
I loved the essay and sorry to hear that you were hacked. Hopefully we all start the day with an attitude of gratitude and the desire to leave a positive legacy in the world. In my efforts, I do my best in the goal of delivering 100% outstanding customer satisfaction, acknowledging that I have no control over people or things. As for the quality of products - and the nature of sales - I feel there is a choice between being natural, passionate and engaging and dealing with the wiggle room of existing as a human being and rather than the hard edges of an algorithm. At some point we do have to see the world as what it really is and not a virtual existence of the strum und drang of IM shenanigans.
Dima
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 11:24 am
Great article.

I was faced with this moral dilemma not too long ago, and I opted the route with integrity and passed on what was a great opportunity to take my web design and copywriting skills, and a good friends great skills at using CPA traffic to make a killing on rebill offers.
I'm glad I never did it... because at the end of the day, what's it matter if you are rich if you can't look yourself in the mirror?

It's funny, some people's moral compass isn't that set as mine... some of my friends even told me that i was overthinking it and I should just go for it! But end of the day, I'm happy with my decision.

Entrepreneurs have the capability to spend their time creating tremendous value for others, spending it on promoting questionable or downright scammy products is a big win-lose situation, and in business and in life win-lose never wins in the long term.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 11:42 am
Hi Allan,

This is an excellent e-mail. It sums up my feelings exactly.

I have been sucked into more than a couple of really bad deals, but now, whenever I look at anything new in Internet Marketing I never make any instant decisions (despite the enticements) and always ask myself two key questions:

1. Has the proposition got integrity?
2. Does it deliver real value to the people who will buy it?

These two questions have enabled me to identify a small handful of Internet Marketeers that am I happy to do business with. I am fed up with hearing about the houses, cars and holidays of the rest of them.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 11:57 am
GREAT article Jay! I don't usually respond to these, but this one hit a tender spot for me. I've been in this IM biz for 8 years and haven't made a dime, while people who sat next to me in the same class are now multi millionaires.

The difference? I believe they sold out on their morals! They followed the cash.

I've made a ton of mistakes trying to do it 'right', and have now finally gotten the hang of it, while truly helping people in need!

My question is, what about article writing? I find I can't keep up with writing as many articles as I once did, and I'm having to outsource more. Which means the content isn't always exactly how I would write it.

How can I write quality articles while maintaining my integrity when I outsource??

Thanks,
Judy
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 12:17 pm
I am sorry to hear about your affiliate link being hacked into. I am about to dive into the world of affiliate marketing and was wondering after reading your email if you know of any good ways to prevent affiliate link stealing. I am very concerned about doing all the hard work it will take to establish a site, drive traffic to it, and work on creating helpful content only to have someone steal your commissions. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 12:27 pm
Hi Jay - Hi Allan...

Sorry to hear your site got hacked.

Really good post Jay. It's about time someone had the moral fibre to lay it on the line with regard to the ethics of online marketing.

Sadly, if most people try to do the right thing and actually be honest in their pre-sell and/or sales copy...the results will be dismal.

I did a recent review for your PPCLoophole but without the hype.

I made sure to point out to my readers that the product is not for everyone...ie. that they'd need money to pay for the ads as well and that it helps to have some experience writing ads.

Not one sale - nada - zip - nothing as Corey Rudl used to say...

So in the internet marketing niche - honesty doesn't pay the bills. I even had people thank me for the great review and then assumedly they bought from he who offered the biggest bonus package (another of the endless seduction tactics - although this one borders on bribery rather than outright robbery :)

I simply refuse to lie and cheat people simply to make money...couldn't look myself in the mirror if I did and I certainly would not sleep nights knowing that I'm misleading anyone or as in your experience having someone spend their last few bucks in a misguided attempt to get back on track financially...

In light of my last few failed attempts promoting really good IM products with honesty and integrity I have decided to get right out of the whole IM market - it just isn't a good fit for me morally.

Your post is timely and any discussion about sales ethics is long overdue but sadly it will probably fail to hit home with those who most need to hear it...

Thanks for trying though...

Regards,
Chris Oakley
Kieran
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 12:31 pm
First, let me express my condolences for the hack. I know what that's like and how violated you feel and the slimy taste in your mouth even thinking about it.

Second, THANK YOU SO MUCH for this post. I've been on your list for years and years because you not only give great information, but you're straight-forward and don't do or recommend ethically challenged activities.

I have been so turned off by some of the suggestions and tactics I've seen from numerous other marketers. I've purchased things only to find suggestions (like the fake personas) and have immediately requested a refund because I can't stand to even have it on my hard drive. Nasty.

Also really appreciated what you had to say about the people we're marketing to. Having been in that boat, it's really bothered me that so many IMers don't care or don't get it. I actually really WANT to help people, which translates to good solid stuff at a price they can actually afford - definitely no forced continuity dressed up in a Santa suit.

Not to mention the fake "only 100 copies" baloney. If you create something that is valuable, why not continue to make it available to people - especially those who discover it a month later after it's "sold out". Come on now. Give me a break. It's DIGITAL! It's still there! Let someone buy it. (Not to mention the tons of sales because it is good and valuable stuff at a decent price.)

The big problem is that our society has become so fixated on money as the be all and end all to the point that the bottom line is money instead of people. But you can't go to dinner with money and, while you can sleep with money, it sure as heck isn't going to keep you warm. And it won't have a conversation with you. People have to be more valuable than some digital digits in the bank balance.

I've noticed so many people looking for help online. They're desperate for direction and assistance that they can afford so they can change their lives. But there's so much crap out there that suckers them in and then they're afraid to buy something else because it also might be garbage. Employers still only pay at 1970's levels here in the United States and there are a lot of people who want to make an income that truly reflects the hard work they put in. Conning them into buying crap is a huge dis-service and fosters cynicism and despair.

So - GREAT post. I totally agree. And good for you for saying it!

Thank you!
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 12:41 pm

Hi Allan,

Thank you for your thoughts. I like your article and agree.

How about perhaps the hardest question:

- Am I OK to put (allow) ads on my site that are obviously scams?

If I'm using Google Adsense, how can I keep fake ads from my site?
(I know there are possibilities to forbid some kind of ads, but this seems to me not enough effective.)

Your reply I would highly appreciate.

All the best
Ivan Varallyay

Said this on May 20, 2010 At 12:44 pm
I agree with your question of ethics. I get about 200 e-mails a day. At one time I tried to read them all. A good number of them are about courses and membership sites. I put 100 to junk and the rest I skim and delete most. Less that 10 are worth following. Some times I get 2 or 3 e-mails from the same party in a day. I now am very carefull where I spend my money.
Phil
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 12:49 pm
Sorry to hear about the theft Jay, and congrats on a very intelligent and articulate article.

You were so right to identify the slippery slope. The "cleverness culture" philosophy that defines the online marketing world leads naturally to sliding over the line.

Honestly, I see little hope of reforming this mindset, and really doubt any of the usual cliches that will likely populate this thread will be of much help. 15 years of the same old stuff has burned me out.

I'm hoping to escape in to the non-profit world, and am working on the site I hope will take me there as I read your thoughtful newsletter.
John
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 12:50 pm
Well said, Jay. My sentiments exactly!
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 12:59 pm
Words fitly spoken. I've been selling my ebooks for the past decade and I have certainly witnessed much of what you have spoken and have even been tempted to do some of the things that would bring in some quick cash. In the end, my values always kept them from doing it.

I have 17 products about love, dating, romance, sex and relationships and the questions I first ask myself when I consider a title, is "will this truly help people in their relationships" not "will this make me a pile of money". Yes, my writings have made me (and my affiliates) a pile of money but I think it is because there is a real guy behind the books who really does have a successful marriage of 20 years and who really does care about helping people. And that's the ultimate evergreen business.

Michael Webb
TheRomantic.com
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 01:08 pm
Hi Jay,

Sorry for form of address in my previous comment.
I've just recognized that YOU (not Allan) wrote the article.

I ask the administrator who approve the comments to correct my failor in my previous comment.

Thank you in advance

Ivan Varallyay
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 01:25 pm
Great Read this is the one which held me back many times from going to wrong side of life. But no regrets as I am happy with my decisions. Online life more regulations compared to off line marketing due to lack of human touch(physical) absence.

Thanks for wonderful post
Sreenivasa
Scott
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 01:47 pm
Jay,

Loved the article and am impressed by your beliefs and philosophy in this current market place.

I wish you the best of luck and hope the hacker get's what is coming to him.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 02:05 pm
Hi,

I've been reading this newsletter for a few years now and am always interested to read the varying views and this subject is one I think stops many from persevering.

I am what would be consider a "newbie". I have one site three years old now and focuses on one subject through which I offer a consultation service. I suck at affiliate marketing.

Although three years ago the idea of astounding success as an affiliate marketer was the initial appeal that drew me in I had a lot of barriers to overcome .. technically speaking.

When I made the decision to dig in and learn something, I came up against an internal brick wall which your article clearly addresses.

I have one way of gauging myself as a person which makes everything else fall into place nicely.

When I get up in the morning and limp to the bathroom and look into the mirror I do not want to find any shame or guilt looking back at me for what I did yesterday.

It's just not that hard to build a successful business you are proud of if you keep your own personal moral priorities straight and treat your customers with respect and offer legitimate solutions to their problem.

I've learned since that I chose the niche wrong for my first go at this internet stuff, but the process has been invaluable as far as what I will require for any future endeavor I try.

For me, the priority is not the amount of money that can be potentially made, but the moment in the bathroom each and everyday.

The
Ron C.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 02:49 pm
I had responded by email but I thought a post here would be appropriate.

The scumbag that did this should still be able to be traced if you have the code from the hacked page(s), place an order but do so after you have contacted the affiliate manager. When that order comes into the scumbag's credit, it will have your information on it or an employee's name and the affiliate manager should be able to see who the scumbag affiliate is?

Just a thought - if you can track him/her this way and put the word out to other affiliate companies you may be able to put a hurting on him/her for a while, anyway.
Changis
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 02:56 pm
Jay,
Very well said, my friend.
When people lose their moral compass they stop being people worth knowing and being around.
Seems to me more and more people are losing their ethics and morality to chase a buck or two, especially on the net.

I also think honest affiliates and others with websites should be very careful on the quality of the products or sites they allow to be advertised through their web sites.

So sorry to know that one of your sites was hacked. Hope they catch the culprit.

Regards,
Changis
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 03:41 pm
It sure looks like the industry is full of 'get rich quick' at any cost merchants.

However, I take heart from the size of the Affiliate Marketing scheme providers and the quality of the high street companies that are signed up for affiliate programs.

With most of the hight street involved AM can't all be scams can it? There must be lots of regular good content type sites referring decent sales or why would these giant companies be interested?

As a new guy to this, I certainly hope so! Been doing it for a few months now (mostly learning basic code/how WordPress/AM works etc) and have already made a few pounds this month!

Thanks for an ethical shakeup Jay, lets hope everyone is listening!
Stay well
Vickye
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 03:42 pm
To whom ever ask to leave a comment:

I must have looked at this article 10 to 15 minutes before leaving the site , then I saw a place to leave a comment... It never seems to amaze me how Honesty/God/Heaven/Universe/what ever you want to call "IT" works.

I just finished a research on "Doing the right thing, even in the Dark." To share a long story.Not to long ago there was nothing but negative things happening to me and my family! I really didn't understand WHY, I wasn't doing those things to other people.

When I mentioned those misfortunes, everybody always said the same thing: "I'm so sorry that happen to you, my goodness,people are something else, these days you can't trust nobody." After the 4th-5th time I could predict what they were going to say.

The reason I kept telling the story was to get a reaction after a while. Then it hit me "are you one of those untrustworthy people?" I thought,no I'm not. My mind went back to my research stated above. I have since rediscovered "WE" are the only one in our LIFE that can cause our experiences!!! :-)

But, wait! I did some more research after that wake up call! To my surprise, the FACTS kept leading back to me. I had to go figure. The end of my research lead me to be true to my own self (it hurt at first)

In my case I had a FEAR programmed in my Subconscious when I was 5y.o. I over heard some neighbors talking about Black-Magic. How evil it was etc, and how you can tell if they were working it, by them using candles. Well... Any 5 y.o. would think the absolute worse in this case, especially with a lack of understanding. It seemed every where I went I would spot candles burning. Even 25 years later I still had that belief. AT this time my life had really experienced some evil things. I had forgotten all about those earlier days. But the "belief" was still in process. Looking back after that research, I learned one can "forgive" themselves for accepting neg beliefs and take responsibility for any such negative in the future. The VICTORY is: When you do the forgiving part,and learn the lesson, you will never experience that same "lesson" again! As far as the "thief" in your case. You can cause him to STOP using those negative energies against himself and others. In fact, I forgave him for you. Now I can get a reward to helping some one else. I can say this, if you don't do something about it now, you'll face this situation again. WHY suffer another lost? To say the least.

I haven't been bothered by problems of those kind we were facing any more. It has been a long time now. Normally, I wouldn't have read the email any way. Some how I was attracted by the subject. Some people do everything to get their mail read, I just happened to read this one.Wheather it's true or false.Any way. HAPPY Living.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 04:03 pm
FABULOUS post!! I truly believe that the immoral junk will week itself out, eventually, but the sad thing is that many people will be taken in the interim. Ultimately there is a higher power, and I believe what comes around goes around.

If you don't BELIEVE in what you are selling, then why sell it?
Brad
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 04:06 pm
One of the best posts I have ever read!
Jay, you're correct, and well done for bringing it out. I have lost thousands to the big IM gizzmos that came out. It took bankruptcy to make me wake up and really read the sales pitch.
I still get newsletters from various sources, and from people who I thought were decent marketers (ones that didn't keep pushing new products) but slowly I am finding out, that MOST of the people I listen to, have this mind bend.
On a personal note, deep down I have been concerned that I have been going the same way...thankfully I got this post.
Thanks so much!
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 04:13 pm
You know Jay, this came at a really good time for me.
I've been online over 5 years, and make just enough to keep going. But I've noticed lately that those old sites I built with affiliate programs I believed were a better product or service even if some of them paid less to me are making sales. I've even received a 'love letter' or two:) from some of the buyers stating it was the right thing at the right price for them without all the hype.

Glad you posted this because it's so easy to 'justify' the decision when we're behind the anonymity of a computer screen. It takes courage to tell the truth and stick to your values, even if everyone else doesn't seem to be.
Ted
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 04:31 pm
Hi Jay,

This is a very important topic and one which has been bugging me for years, so much so that I have sabotaged my own career on the internet because of it. I am so concerned about selling something to someone who either cannot afford it -especially in the current situation - that I would rather sell nothing at all.

Even when I give information away for free - solid reliable advice I mean - somehow people do not listen and simply run off and spend money on the next big thing.

As you say there are many many people who are prepared to risk their last dime in order to advance themselves, only later to find out that the money they spent was not so well spent.

When I see some of the CPA programs currently on offer it makes me shudder.

What to do ?
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 04:32 pm
HI Jay,

Thanks for your thoughts about establishing and maintaining a heartfelt and lucrative business perspective. In fact that is one of the many reasons why people want to leave the corporate rat race and toxic environment in which to work. Sharing integrity creates mutual respect and long lasting friendships and relationships of all kinds. I can rememeber flying to Jakarta, Indonesia and speaking with a lady from Iraq. We were talking about the differences between how some tourists in Iraq would want to buy rugs and would only focus on the money. Whereas the rug merchant would want to discuss the history of rugs and the art that goes into the weaving the rugs over wine a meal. By only focusing only on the money the tourists would miss out on the deeper joys and appreciation of the life journey and being enriched by what they might discover along the way. How one gets to the destination is often more important than finally arriving there. If one were to look a little deeper, where we are now is where we have always wanted to be. The goal was a means of becoming. Thanks, Jay.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 04:35 pm
This articles really nails it for me. Like many, I've been intrigued by the possibilities of making a living online. The first things I ran into were the "Guru" products which really resonate with someone just starting out. After all, who doesn't like the idea of "getting rich quick with little or no work"?

I can see how, after having failed miserably at the first attempts to stay within one's moral boundaries, many folks will start to believe that "guru" way is the only way to make it big time.

But like you say, I wanted to be proud of my business and create something of tangible value. It's not easy, it's certainly not quick, but it's the only way for me.

Thanks for spelling it out so clearly.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 05:02 pm
So sorry to hear about your site being hacked into. It's such a disheartening thing. Maybe it's like you say, for the people who do these things there must be some psychological disconnect as to the consequences.

But it should be more than that. It's about doing the right thing. I am an affiliate marketer and I've probably lost money because I'll help people without thinking about what's in it for me. But you know what? What comes around goes around and that's been completely true in my life. Give to others and it will come back to you tenfold.

Thanks Jay for the great post.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 05:04 pm
Great Article! We need more people like you and more people writing articles just like this one.
Thank you. I knew there was something different about this newsletter and website from the first time I found it. This is the kind of business and trust that I strive to deliver.
Keep up the good work!

Judson Greenman
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 05:05 pm
Well said, Jay! Thank you for writing something so thought-provoking. Many people are desperate to make a living on the internet and are willing to spend their last dime to find the "secret" to success. Sadly, far too many IMs are willing to exploit those who hold that desire... they may even BE one of the desperate ones. But if you believe in something called karma, you must NEVER take advantage of others in any way, shape or form.

Ethics and integrity are part of the cornerstone of success in everything we do. Regardless of the need to develop reliable cash flow, you can't do it at the expense of others without paying the ultimate price for doing so. There can be no long-term success or satisfaction building a business taking advantage of others.
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 05:51 pm
Jay ,

I agree with you completly and I speak from a terible experience on the net . I recieved a cold call one Saturday morning by a company named Leapfish out of Pleasanton California selling worthless keywords and before i came to my senses was scammed out of $ 30,000 dollars . I don't know how these people sleep at night ! I can't believe the FTC does nothing about this blatant fraud .
I guess people feel they can get away with murder on the internet these days as they don't have to see you face to face . What has happened to mankinds morals . Are there not anymore ethical honest business men anymore .

I think i remember reading at the end of time people would all be selling and not produceing anything of value . Hopefully with social networks we can clean this mess up and the hard worken honest business will prevail .

Just living out the Rolling Stones 19th Nervous Breakdown when it comes to learning this darn IM . Knocked down but not out in good ole St Louis . Tapen my hands up and coming back to fight for what is right . .........mopargrovis
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 06:43 pm
Great read!

Apart from the lack of income being deposited in your account ... I am interested to know how you discovered you were hacked.

For those of us that earn a modest amount of affiliate income and blame our position in the google search results for fluctuations in income is there a way for detecting "hacked, cloaked stolen affiliate links in our website code?
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 07:40 pm
The ethical question about knowing the quality of your product is also a question of good business sense in the long run. As Allan and so many other experts have pointed out, the people who sell the best are people that use the product. If you use the product and it doesn
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 08:01 pm
It's a shame your site was hacked, but glad you guys caught on quick. I agree with your definition though I have other names for them.

Glad to hear your thoughts on the morals of some affiliates out there, and there's a lot of them that think nothing of hooking the unsuspecting up with an unscrupulous company pushing some BS continuity program.

Mike
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 10:06 pm
I'd have to say I agree with you. I could probably be making a lot more money now (at least in the short term) if I didn't have to believe in what I am selling. Like you, I want to offer something of value, something that is genuinely useful to people. And I want it to be a long term thing. I'm glad to see there are some internet marketers like yourself who have some principles. It goes some way to restoring my faith in people.
arty
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 11:06 pm
Judy,
I also find I can write my own articles better and can stand behind what I write. But also find I don't have the time to write them all and have outsourced some. I found a good writer willing to follow my directions and got very reasonable copy. But I still edited most of them so I felt good about standing behind that content. It's still saved me time but not as much as just plugging them into ezines unedited. But it's my name out there! It seems there are no short-cuts!
arty
Said this on May 20, 2010 At 11:15 pm
Thank you Jay. Much needed honesty. I am going over my affiliate products again to be sure I can stand behind them all with integrity!

How can one detect and stop affiliate commissions theft? I sometimes wonder who else might be sitting at my dinner table uninvited...
Said this on May 21, 2010 At 01:04 am
Jay,

Great post and very true!

Couple of years back, I tried some auto-blogging plugins, software, etc. but found that they were simply churning out rubbish and realized that I was not doing justice to my visitors.

I have, since, closed down all those worthless sites.

I now have only 4 sites which carry totally authentic, honest and useful articles and product reviews.

Web visitors definitely deserve this honesty and trust worthiness from our web contents.

Raj
Said this on May 21, 2010 At 02:55 am
Jay,

Great post, sorry you were hacked.

I totally agree with you regarding the state of cpa and the way it is turning.

Fortunately there is a movement afoot in the bigger networks to turn their attention to Tier 1 advertisers which require complete compliance and transparency.

It will take a wile for the industry to mature, but we will get their. More than likely there will be 2 levels of agencies/networks.

One level that is compliant, and the other that is not so much.

Advertisers will dictate what the game is with their dollars.

This is a young industry and growing pains are natural.

Cheers,

Jim
Said this on May 21, 2010 At 03:30 am
Viva Jay! Viva Associateprograms.com!

I can't agree more. Selling something you truly believe in and know is a good product is so much more rewarding then making lots of money from something you know is not worth the money...
Jerry
Said this on May 21, 2010 At 04:50 am
So true.
I am currently starting over, building a "proper" online business after a couple of years break. Why the break? I was "Google slapped" and lost the use of Adsense, which stopped any income cold. At the time I could see no reason for the slap, but in hindsight, perhaps some of my "clever" methods were not so clean!

Personally I am looking for a business which will last, and not require the intensity of the smash and grab approach. As you say the "IM Guru" approach may be good for the cashflow, but in terms of really making money? The suspicion has to be that they are just paying the bills, nothing more.

There must be a fair number of people just sitting quietly bringing in a good online income, and not saying much. That's the place to be.
Marc
Said this on May 21, 2010 At 08:00 am
I've read that psychopaths make up about 1% of the population. In absolute terms, that's a lot of people running around with no moral compass at all. These people must be having a real ball online.
Said this on May 21, 2010 At 08:47 am
Excellent article Jay! I am in the process of building my site and you reinforced my determination to build a reputable site that brings traffic back again and again.

There is so much to choose from out there and much of it is just garbage. Makes it easy to want to cut corners, however my philosophy is to build slowly through good content and reputable affiliates. Integrity will bring you steady customers and it is MY reputation on the line.

This is my first website and I value the knowledge Associate Programs provides me.

It is disturbing to know that you could be hacked at any time! How would one know if they were hacked?

Thanks again for the information.

Regards,

John
Said this on May 21, 2010 At 09:15 am
Great post, Jay. I could stand to make some $$, but not at the cost of personal integrity. After months of wading through hyperbole and come-ons, I have found some places [like this one] that truly offer valuable information. Internet marketing -- at which I admit I am a novice -- can leave a very bad taste in your mouth, and for awhile I was turned off by the very mention of the phrase. I have since found some ethical and well-intentioned entrepreneurs that have restored my faith somewhat.

P.S. Sorry to hear about the hacking. That is a slimy thing to do. We are all aware, however, that there are many that play by no rules or morals.
Said this on May 21, 2010 At 06:20 pm
Good thoughts and even better discussion through the comments. In addition to being a website publisher and working offline, I teach a business ethics course at college. My focus in class is to achieve an understanding of what 'do no harm' means in business, and in life.
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