Excessive crosslinking woes

Crosslinking means linking websites you own together.

Crosslinking is acceptable to search engines. Excessive crosslinking is not.

If you link in a logical, sensible way, crosslinking is accepted by search engines.

For example, in an article about purple widgets you could link to a site you own that is all about purple widgets.

Excessive crosslinking means linking sites you own together in multiple ways and doing it so much than you attract a penalty from a search engine. Both Google and Yahoo! warn you against excessive crosslinking.

This site was penalized for excessive crosslinking.

I hope the following story will help other sites that have been penalized.


Getting a Yahoo! penalty lifted

In mid-2005, after a long wait, Yahoo! lifted its penalty on AssociatePrograms.com.

Because Yahoo! never explained what I did wrong and what I did right, some of the following story is guesswork. That's the way things often are in search engine optimization.

I linked three of my sites together. That helped my visitors and helped me. I added a few more links, and a few more, and then dozens of links. Things went well for many months.

I added more links, and Yahoo! penalized me. Google didn't.

As far as I was concerned, there were good reasons for the links. I guess Yahoo! didn't see things my way.

For ages, while the site remained in the Yahoo! directory, it was nowhere to be found in the Yahoo! search index.

Then for a while a search at Yahoo! for...

url:http://www.associateprograms.com

...revealed that AssociatePrograms.com WAS in the search index.

However, being there didn't do me any good, because none of my pages was showing up in any Yahoo! searches, in spite of having No.1 and No.2 rankings in Google. I was obviously being penalized.

Here are the steps I took to get the Yahoo! penalty lifted...


I checked the Yahoo! guidelines

I went to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/deletions/deletions-05.html and checked the Yahoo! quality guidelines carefully to ensure I wasn't breaking any of their rules.

I removed almost all the crosslinks among the sites I owned.


I tried the Yahoo! feedback form

If you do a search at Yahoo! and scroll down to the bottom of the page you'll see this:

"Help us improve your search experience," and a link that says: "Send us feedback."

So I clicked on the link and wrote a polite message in the contact form saying AssociatePrograms.com pages were not showing up in the search results, although they were being found in Google.

I waited several months. Nothing happened.


I wrote a polite email

I hunted around the Internet for helpful articles and at WebmasterWorld.com I found an email address...

webmasterworldfeedback AT yahoo DOT com

I wrote to that address and asked for a review.

I won't tell you word-for-word what I wrote, because I don't want Yahoo! to receive dozens of emails that look exactly the same.

Explaining that my site appeared to have been penalized by the Yahoo! search engine, I said that the only possible reason I could think of was excessive crosslinking.

I explained that I respect search engines and see them as my friends, so I'd removed nearly all of the links between AssociatePrograms.com and other sites I own.

After deciding that it might be easier to get ONE ban lifted, rather than multiple bans, I mentioned only AssociatePrograms.com.

I wanted to give Yahoo! a strong reason for replacing my site in its search index, so I wrote...

"AssociatePrograms.com has been a respected directory of affiliate programs ever since it was launched in 1998.

"It has ranked highly in Google for years, so if it is not found in Yahoo! that reduces the effectiveness of your search engine."

I didn't expect it to make any difference, but I also mentioned that I'd been buying advertising on Yahoo! for several years.

I said I'd done my best to co-operate, and repeated my request for a review.


I waited, and waited

I'd been warned that I'd have to be patient. Getting a review can take weeks.

However, it was only after waiting four months that the site reappeared in Yahoo!'s search index. It looks as though I've been forgiven.

I can't say for certain that my email did the trick.

However, the site I mentioned in the email is no longer penalized.

Of the other two sites, one has been freed from the penalty and is ranking well in Yahoo! but the other still appears to be heavily penalized.


Is your site in the Yahoo! search index?

To see if your site or page is listed in the Yahoo! search index, Yahoo! advises you to enter an identifiable phrase (5-10 words) in quotes, that matches the title or text on the web page you are looking for into the Yahoo! search box at: http://search.yahoo.com.

"If your site appears in the results, it's listed in the Yahoo! Search Index, and you don't need to complete a feedback form as your request will not be processed," Yahoo! says.

If your site was once in the index and is currently not found in a unique phrase search, and you feel that site is in full compliance with the Yahoo! Content Quality Guidelines, you can inquire about your site's status by completing the following form: http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/ysearch/cgi_urlstatus

If that doesn't get you anywhere and you've waited several weeks after fixing everything wrong with your site, you can try this Second Review Request form:

http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/ysearch/cgi_rereview


I'm trying to get another penalty lifted

What if your site IS in the search index but is obviously being penalized? Yahoo! doesn't really tell you, except to direct you to its Quality Content Guidelines.

At the bottom of that page, Yahoo! asks: "Is this enough information?"

I've clicked on "No" and told Yahoo! that another of my sites IS in the search index but is obviously being penalized (because of my past excessive crosslinking, I assume). I've politely asked for a review. Now I'm waiting to see what happens. I've been waiting a long time.

I'll update this article if there's any news.

If your site is being penalized by Yahoo!, I hope this helps.

Good luck!


Search engine tips

For excellent search engine tips updated every month, the best source on the Net is Stephen Mahaney's Unfair Advantage Book On Winning The Search Engine Wars. This is the source the professionals use.

December 13, 2005

Comments (4)

Fred
Said this on August 24, 2006 At 03:27 pm
Allan,
Great blog post!

A persistent Yahoo penalty of my site - beyourowndetective.com has been bugging me for about a year.

I too am totally puzzled, as Yahoo won't give me any details. I asked Yahoo for "re-review" about 10 different times with no luck. I get the usual response "It has been determined your site may not comply..." There's an awful lot of speculation and conspiracy theories about causes of Yahoo bans on SEO discussion threads, so I honestly don't know what to believe. I honestly feel I have a quality content site that fully complies with Yahoo's content guidelines. I'm not in any trouble with Google, MSN or any other search engine.

[Sorry to learn about your problems. Fortunately for us, Yahoo! eventually saw sense - without any further prodding - and now treats this site well. Good luck getting your problem sorted out. Perhaps time will help. Allan.]
Withheld
Said this on January 11, 2007 At 04:16 am
Let's organize a class action suit against Yahoo for unfair business practises. I too am being penalized by Yahoo, but get great placement on Google and MSN after being on top of Yahoo placement for several years. I haven't changed anything recently and yet my site is being overlooked. The irony is that my competitors have copied everything that they could from my site and now are getting top placement on Yahoo without being penalized. I contacted Yahoo. They gave me some vague comments about not being in compliance with their guidelines. I've been a loyal user of Overture for several years as well. It's just not right. I even contacted Yahoo to show them that the competitors are "SPAMMING" the search engines and crosslinking their sites worse than anything that I ever did. All I am "guilty" of is swapping links, and I've tried to do that with related websites as much as possible. Yahoo has always been an inferior search engine and now their results are worse than ever not because they have excluded my popular and relavent site but because a bunch of directories and wannabes sites come up instead of valuable results.
Yahoo Doesn't Like My Site Either
Said this on March 25, 2007 At 08:36 pm
I have the same story. My site is #1 in search term for Google and MSN. The url of my site is listed in Yahoo engine but no results appear for thousands of pages of unique content. I received the same letter after asking Yahoo why I my site was not showing up in results. Competitors copying my content are using 301 redirects to identical sites, and are not being blocked by Yahoo. I have a dozen other sites that cross link and all do well in Yahoo.
Said this on August 21, 2009 At 11:08 pm
Well. I have had issues with Yahoo too, but seems to repair itself over a month or two. Google too seems to have its cycle, from about the 25th of the month to about the 10th of the next month, folks get above me, to see it come back when it is my turn for the refresh.

Typically a big content change starts it. Content change on the front page can make a huge difference. Or a link that I add to another site will jump the quantity so throw it in a "change shock", or they go through a re-evaluation period that knocks me down, but slowly climb again. The nice thing about Yahoo, it is about 20 percent of my search. The Google lion has the best response to my changes, and traffic shows it.

There are many possible reasons, and would start with basic SEO structure. make sure title and meta tag info is in your content. Make sure content is valuable enough for folks to stick around to read it. If they back out or bookmark it, search engines seem to know.

A valuable site is everything. If the content or product is sought after, folks come, they stay, they use the site, people link about it, and it grows. Search engines try to see all this. If they do not stay, work on your site quality, presentation, and creativity. New ideas, information, forms, services, all works. Hey, I ended up here!
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